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> And they do not respect the traffic laws in the same way that cars do This seems to be a persistent myth. All the studies I've come across say the exact oppo

> And they do not respect the traffic laws in the same way that cars do This seems to be a persistent myth. All the studies I've come across say the exact opposite; for example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists...

Tade0 4y ago
> A Transport for London study investigated the “hypothesis that the majority of cyclists ride through red lights” and discovered that 84% of cyclists stopped on reds. Imagine 16% drivers not stopping on red.
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- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  1 in 3 car drivers admit to running a red light in the past month (33.3%) in 2017 over 900 americans died in accidents involving running a red light https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/08/red-light-running-deaths-hit-10-year-high/ https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/08/red-light-running-deaths-hi...
  - philwelch 4y ago
    It’s surprising how low that is. As a point of comparison, in 2008, 809 Americans died tangled in their bedsheets (which correlates to total revenue generated by skiing facilities: https://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1864 https://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1864)
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      Right, more cyclists die in general every year (1,000+), but there doesn't seem to be any data on the percentage of those deaths that may be caused by cyclists running red lights. One safe assumption is that the number of drivers killed by bikers running red lights is near 0.
    - yamazakiwi 4y ago
      That 809 number is mostly Elderly and Infants. I'm not trying to imply anything, I just find it interesting.
- analog31 4y ago
  In my observation, the crimes of motorists and cyclists are crimes of convenience and opportunity. Motorists exceed the speed limit, roll through stop signs, sometimes blow through red lights (every light cycle at one intersection on my daily commute), and drive while distracted (I see the cell phones from my bike). Cyclists blow through stop signs, sometimes blow red lights, and often take shortcuts that are technically illegal.
- banannaise 4y ago
  It's not particularly safe for cyclists to stop on reds, and not particularly unsafe for them to cross during a red light with no cross traffic. This is part of the reason that "Idaho Stop" laws are gaining traction.

Tade0 4y ago

> A Transport for London study investigated the “hypothesis that the majority of cyclists ride through red lights” and discovered that 84% of cyclists stopped on reds. Imagine 16% drivers not stopping on red.

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micromacrofoot 4y ago
1 in 3 car drivers admit to running a red light in the past month (33.3%) in 2017 over 900 americans died in accidents involving running a red light https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/08/red-light-running-deaths-hit-10-year-high/ https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/08/red-light-running-deaths-hi...
- philwelch 4y ago
  It’s surprising how low that is. As a point of comparison, in 2008, 809 Americans died tangled in their bedsheets (which correlates to total revenue generated by skiing facilities: https://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1864 https://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1864)
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    Right, more cyclists die in general every year (1,000+), but there doesn't seem to be any data on the percentage of those deaths that may be caused by cyclists running red lights. One safe assumption is that the number of drivers killed by bikers running red lights is near 0.
  - yamazakiwi 4y ago
    That 809 number is mostly Elderly and Infants. I'm not trying to imply anything, I just find it interesting.
analog31 4y ago
In my observation, the crimes of motorists and cyclists are crimes of convenience and opportunity. Motorists exceed the speed limit, roll through stop signs, sometimes blow through red lights (every light cycle at one intersection on my daily commute), and drive while distracted (I see the cell phones from my bike). Cyclists blow through stop signs, sometimes blow red lights, and often take shortcuts that are technically illegal.
banannaise 4y ago
It's not particularly safe for cyclists to stop on reds, and not particularly unsafe for them to cross during a red light with no cross traffic. This is part of the reason that "Idaho Stop" laws are gaining traction.