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where did you hear that from? The A-Segment is well alive and thriving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment What I

by froh 4y ago

where did you hear that from? The A-Segment is well alive and thriving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-segment What I see instead is very small electric vehicles entering the market from new manufacturers --- the market entry hurdle was not the vehicle safety, it was mastering the EURO-6,7,8 and California environmental norms with such a small engine. I'd love to get one of those, or their van equivalents, rather, alas they're rarely exported outside Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car

hawski 4y ago
Toyota Aygo is no longer produced. Replaced by Aygo X - a somewhat bigger car. Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries (I know about UK and Poland). Peugeot 108 is no longer produced and AFAIU a successor was cancelled. Same thing for sibling Citroen C1. Aygo was also a sibling model. Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. Skoda Citigo is no longer produced. Its sibling model VW Up is still produced, but other sibling Seat Mii is not. Smart is a bit in a class of its own. It is not cheap though. Toyota had iQ in this class - it is no longer produced. That leaves us with Hyundai i10 and its sibling Kia Picanto, Fiat Panda which is just a bit bigger then usual in the class, Fiat 500, aforementioned VW Up and Mitsubishi Mirage (also called Space Star in some countries). For me this is a sign of the class being less represented. I think it can go in other direction when electric cars will finally be cheaper, but it will not happen for a couple of years.
- froh 4y ago
  Covid 19 and the western economic crisis certainly had an impact on the a-segment, and vendors have also phased out ICE models indeed. however the "couple of years" is a small number and all vendors are working their ways to provide BEVs into that segment. also the context of my statement is this thread, and a comment claiming vehicle safety being the problem of the A segment, to which your comment seemed to suggest "yah it's also in decline, see: ..." to which I dare to claim: nope, it will happily come back as the economy recovers and the top mass producers (TMC, VW, Stellantis, RNM alliance) master BEVs.
- fomine3 4y ago
  > Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries This argument is applied for every vehicle except extremely major one, like Corolla? > Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. It's actually just a bit high A-seg hatchback. Its weight is like 900kg. I've driven it and like it because I don't need SUV w/big tires (unnecessary expensive!) but just need a bit high. I think every manufacturers just want upselling in current market situation, and A-segs needed to be cheap. VW and Skoda that you pick looks good example. Not due to safety.

by froh 4y ago

hawski 4y ago

Toyota Aygo is no longer produced. Replaced by Aygo X - a somewhat bigger car. Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries (I know about UK and Poland). Peugeot 108 is no longer produced and AFAIU a successor was cancelled. Same thing for sibling Citroen C1. Aygo was also a sibling model. Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. Skoda Citigo is no longer produced. Its sibling model VW Up is still produced, but other sibling Seat Mii is not. Smart is a bit in a class of its own. It is not cheap though. Toyota had iQ in this class - it is no longer produced. That leaves us with Hyundai i10 and its sibling Kia Picanto, Fiat Panda which is just a bit bigger then usual in the class, Fiat 500, aforementioned VW Up and Mitsubishi Mirage (also called Space Star in some countries). For me this is a sign of the class being less represented. I think it can go in other direction when electric cars will finally be cheaper, but it will not happen for a couple of years.

froh 4y ago
Covid 19 and the western economic crisis certainly had an impact on the a-segment, and vendors have also phased out ICE models indeed. however the "couple of years" is a small number and all vendors are working their ways to provide BEVs into that segment. also the context of my statement is this thread, and a comment claiming vehicle safety being the problem of the A segment, to which your comment seemed to suggest "yah it's also in decline, see: ..." to which I dare to claim: nope, it will happily come back as the economy recovers and the top mass producers (TMC, VW, Stellantis, RNM alliance) master BEVs.
fomine3 4y ago
> Renault Twingo is produced, but is not offered in some countries This argument is applied for every vehicle except extremely major one, like Corolla? > Suzuki Ignis is a crossover now. It's actually just a bit high A-seg hatchback. Its weight is like 900kg. I've driven it and like it because I don't need SUV w/big tires (unnecessary expensive!) but just need a bit high. I think every manufacturers just want upselling in current market situation, and A-segs needed to be cheap. VW and Skoda that you pick looks good example. Not due to safety.