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> In fact, a car coming too close and knocking you off your bike is not a common cause of injury Interesting question. I just googled for statistics and found

> In fact, a car coming too close and knocking you off your bike is not a common cause of injury Interesting question. I just googled for statistics and found some for German cities. In Berlin (2021), the majority (~50%) of accidents involving bicyclists in which the bicyclist was not at fault were caused by cars turning. But "insufficient distance" was still at 5%.

beowulfey 4y ago
Both of my hits while riding a bike have been because of cars turning. For one, the driver was turning right and only looked left -- I was still in front of him, and he never looked ahead; T-boned! For the other, I pull up to a stoplight alongside a few cars, against the curb. There is only one lane for left/right/straight. No one had on turn signals. Light turns green, so myself and the first car go straight. Second car apparently wanted to turn right without signaling, and once again does not look to the right (looking left, maybe?). Cuts me off in their turn and I hit their right side door. So yeah, can definitely confirm that people do not look when they are turning.
- microtherion 4y ago
  As a former bicyclist, I try to be extra mindful of bicyclists when driving. One of the right turns on a common route I take is on a downhill slope, and I've noticed cyclists passing me on the right even when I already had my turn signal on for several seconds. I hate to use the common refrain, but it really seems to me that a higher percentage of bicyclists drive like maniacs. What purpose, exactly, does driving without a light at night serve? Especially when combined with barreling through a red light into a multi-lane traffic circle? And, of course, sidewalks are meant to be driven on — wouldn't want to lose your bicyclist card for ever pushing your bike. Leading to the ever popular driving across a crosswalk (I'm not so sure who's at fault if I were to hit a bicyclist on a crosswalk, and I'd rather not find out). Granted, due to the lower weight of bicycles, accidents are considerably less deadly, but there is still a considerable injury risk to me as a pedestrian, and as an automobilist, I'd rather not have an accident on my conscience, whether I'd be legally at fault or not.
  - usrusr 4y ago
    > One of the right turns on a common route I take is on a downhill slope, and I've noticed cyclists passing me on the right even when I already had my turn signal on for several seconds. So you expect to get unlawful right of way because your vehicle is big and dangerous. Allow me to not share your view about who's a maniac.
    - microtherion 4y ago
      I don’t know what the law is in your country, but in Switzerland, it is unlawful to pass a moving car with its turn signals set on the right.
      - usrusr 4y ago
        On a separate lane, no matter how early the signal is set? That would seem like an invitation to power abuse considering how much time queuing cars spend in that not-quite-standing state.
        microtherion 4y ago
        The situation I meant was for a bicycle passing in the gap between the right hand lane and the curb, not on a separate bicycle lane. > That would seem like an invitation to power abuse As in, cars could set their turn signals all the time? Pretty sure that would be against the law, and it would probably be easier to achieve that effect by hogging the right side of the lane (which is also against the law, except when combined with setting the signals and preceding a right turn).
        usrusr 4y ago
        Here in Germany filtering through the gap isn't allowed at all when the car is moving, turn indicators or not. Doesn't keep drivers from getting upset when it happens while they are standing (then it's permitted). And it's certainly allowed on a separate lane, just like pedestrians on the sidewalk aren't required to walk slower than the traffic-stricken cars to their left. (when the lane is just painted and the right turn is unobstructed otherwise, I do like to change lanes to behind a right-indicating car: so much better flow than stopping them, while almost stopping myself to be prepared for a forced turn - one of the many reasons I prefer painted lanes)
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  This is why you take the lane at intersections. Sensible jurisdictions permit this in their vehicle code. Always prevent careless drivers from killing you and always have an escape path.
Tade0 4y ago
A popular topic in my father's complaints during family trips was that you have to watch out for cyclists when you turn because some, well, will try to race you to the intersection. I haven't seen many do that, but I still look over my shoulder when I turn.
- School-Cotton 4y ago
  What made him think they were trying to race him?
  - Tade0 4y ago
    I actually saw it a few times because my father would make note of it beforehand. Guy going in parallel to the road on the sidewalk, looking sideways and gunning it to make it before the car makes a turn. Or worse: also going in parallel, but making a left turn onto the road without looking.
    - pastage 4y ago
      Looking sideways from a bicycle is not something you do for fun, it's a way to see what drivers are up to. Especially when they drive up beside you it's pretty hard to know what they will do.
banannaise 4y ago
That's probably a severity thing. Turning collisions will almost always destroy the bike, injure the rider, and result in a police report. Sideswipe accidents will cause a minor bike crash, maybe a bit of damage and some cuts and scrapes, and the cyclist goes about his day, pissed off, but with no official report.

beowulfey 4y ago

Both of my hits while riding a bike have been because of cars turning. For one, the driver was turning right and only looked left -- I was still in front of him, and he never looked ahead; T-boned! For the other, I pull up to a stoplight alongside a few cars, against the curb. There is only one lane for left/right/straight. No one had on turn signals. Light turns green, so myself and the first car go straight. Second car apparently wanted to turn right without signaling, and once again does not look to the right (looking left, maybe?). Cuts me off in their turn and I hit their right side door. So yeah, can definitely confirm that people do not look when they are turning.

microtherion 4y ago
As a former bicyclist, I try to be extra mindful of bicyclists when driving. One of the right turns on a common route I take is on a downhill slope, and I've noticed cyclists passing me on the right even when I already had my turn signal on for several seconds. I hate to use the common refrain, but it really seems to me that a higher percentage of bicyclists drive like maniacs. What purpose, exactly, does driving without a light at night serve? Especially when combined with barreling through a red light into a multi-lane traffic circle? And, of course, sidewalks are meant to be driven on — wouldn't want to lose your bicyclist card for ever pushing your bike. Leading to the ever popular driving across a crosswalk (I'm not so sure who's at fault if I were to hit a bicyclist on a crosswalk, and I'd rather not find out). Granted, due to the lower weight of bicycles, accidents are considerably less deadly, but there is still a considerable injury risk to me as a pedestrian, and as an automobilist, I'd rather not have an accident on my conscience, whether I'd be legally at fault or not.
- usrusr 4y ago
  > One of the right turns on a common route I take is on a downhill slope, and I've noticed cyclists passing me on the right even when I already had my turn signal on for several seconds. So you expect to get unlawful right of way because your vehicle is big and dangerous. Allow me to not share your view about who's a maniac.
  - microtherion 4y ago
    I don’t know what the law is in your country, but in Switzerland, it is unlawful to pass a moving car with its turn signals set on the right.
    - usrusr 4y ago
      On a separate lane, no matter how early the signal is set? That would seem like an invitation to power abuse considering how much time queuing cars spend in that not-quite-standing state.
      - microtherion 4y ago
        The situation I meant was for a bicycle passing in the gap between the right hand lane and the curb, not on a separate bicycle lane. > That would seem like an invitation to power abuse As in, cars could set their turn signals all the time? Pretty sure that would be against the law, and it would probably be easier to achieve that effect by hogging the right side of the lane (which is also against the law, except when combined with setting the signals and preceding a right turn).
        usrusr 4y ago
        Here in Germany filtering through the gap isn't allowed at all when the car is moving, turn indicators or not. Doesn't keep drivers from getting upset when it happens while they are standing (then it's permitted). And it's certainly allowed on a separate lane, just like pedestrians on the sidewalk aren't required to walk slower than the traffic-stricken cars to their left. (when the lane is just painted and the right turn is unobstructed otherwise, I do like to change lanes to behind a right-indicating car: so much better flow than stopping them, while almost stopping myself to be prepared for a forced turn - one of the many reasons I prefer painted lanes)
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
This is why you take the lane at intersections. Sensible jurisdictions permit this in their vehicle code. Always prevent careless drivers from killing you and always have an escape path.

Tade0 4y ago

A popular topic in my father's complaints during family trips was that you have to watch out for cyclists when you turn because some, well, will try to race you to the intersection. I haven't seen many do that, but I still look over my shoulder when I turn.

School-Cotton 4y ago
What made him think they were trying to race him?
- Tade0 4y ago
  I actually saw it a few times because my father would make note of it beforehand. Guy going in parallel to the road on the sidewalk, looking sideways and gunning it to make it before the car makes a turn. Or worse: also going in parallel, but making a left turn onto the road without looking.
  - pastage 4y ago
    Looking sideways from a bicycle is not something you do for fun, it's a way to see what drivers are up to. Especially when they drive up beside you it's pretty hard to know what they will do.

banannaise 4y ago

That's probably a severity thing. Turning collisions will almost always destroy the bike, injure the rider, and result in a police report. Sideswipe accidents will cause a minor bike crash, maybe a bit of damage and some cuts and scrapes, and the cyclist goes about his day, pissed off, but with no official report.