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Dear Moon was supposed to be 2022. But he was supposed to land a manned dragon capsule on Mars in 2020 and before that 2018, plus passenger rocket flights from

by cma 4y ago

Dear Moon was supposed to be 2022. But he was supposed to land a manned dragon capsule on Mars in 2020 and before that 2018, plus passenger rocket flights from New York to Shanghai for between the price of a coach and business class ticket by 2028 (first made the claim in 2018, later doubled down on the 2028 date around 2020). https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/17/14652026/spacex-red-dragon-spacecraft-mars-mission-2020 https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/17/14652026/spacex-red-drago... Starlink satellites were supposed to have laser interlinks from the beginning and enable low latency multiplayer gaming around the world. The Starlink latency is pretty bad for gaming right now and is variable. The battery swap stations were a bigger scam than you might remember: California gave them almost a billion for "delivering" them.

rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
>California gave them almost a billion for "delivering" them. Source?
- oittaa 4y ago
- _ea1k 4y ago
  The amount earned is unclear, but California was giving more credits to vehicles based upon battery swap capability: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/tesla-battery-swap-pilot-status-tied-california-zev-credits/ https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/tesla-battery-swap...
- microtherion 4y ago
  Edward Niedermeyer, "Ludicrous", Chapter 9, has a somewhat lower estimate: “In 2013, California revised its Zero Emissions Vehicle credit system so that long-range ZEVs that were able to charge 80 percent of their range in under fifteen minutes earned almost twice as many credits as those that didn’t. [...] By demonstrating battery swap on just one vehicle, Tesla nearly doubled the ZEV credits earned by its entire fleet even if none of them actually used the swap capability. [...] For the 2015 to 2017 model years, CARB created a new rule requiring Tesla to actually document a certain number of battery swaps to prove that the capability was actually being used. This development just so happened to coincide with Tesla’s half-hearted “pilot program” and its subsequent decision that its customers had no interest in fast, convenient battery swaps. [...] By exploiting CARB’s fast-refueling rules, Tesla appears to have earned as much as $100 million in additional revenue by demonstrating and hyping a system it seems to never have intended to commercially deploy.”

by cma 4y ago

rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago

>California gave them almost a billion for "delivering" them. Source?

oittaa 4y ago
_ea1k 4y ago
The amount earned is unclear, but California was giving more credits to vehicles based upon battery swap capability: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/tesla-battery-swap-pilot-status-tied-california-zev-credits/ https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/tesla-battery-swap...
microtherion 4y ago
Edward Niedermeyer, "Ludicrous", Chapter 9, has a somewhat lower estimate: “In 2013, California revised its Zero Emissions Vehicle credit system so that long-range ZEVs that were able to charge 80 percent of their range in under fifteen minutes earned almost twice as many credits as those that didn’t. [...] By demonstrating battery swap on just one vehicle, Tesla nearly doubled the ZEV credits earned by its entire fleet even if none of them actually used the swap capability. [...] For the 2015 to 2017 model years, CARB created a new rule requiring Tesla to actually document a certain number of battery swaps to prove that the capability was actually being used. This development just so happened to coincide with Tesla’s half-hearted “pilot program” and its subsequent decision that its customers had no interest in fast, convenient battery swaps. [...] By exploiting CARB’s fast-refueling rules, Tesla appears to have earned as much as $100 million in additional revenue by demonstrating and hyping a system it seems to never have intended to commercially deploy.”