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"Just roll up and off of it" makes it sound like a pleasurable experience. The majority of serious injuries happen not upon collision with the vehicle, but when

by kqr 4y ago

"Just roll up and off of it" makes it sound like a pleasurable experience. The majority of serious injuries happen not upon collision with the vehicle, but when hitting the ground afterwards. This applies for any vehicle shape, but in different ways.

NegativeLatency 4y ago
Been hit a couple of times, I’d be dead if I went under instead of rolling over the cars
atoav 4y ago
Yeah, but landing on the round hood of a VW Polo vs being hit by the equivalent of a rolling brick wall makes a difference. If you look at the formula for acceleration (a = ∆v/∆t) and acceleration force (F = a⋅m) the only two things we can truly influence here are speed (slower collisions are less dangerous) and time (collisions where the force transfer takes longer produce less force). The latter is what makes the difference between getting hit with an cushion and an equally heavy rock. The same difference exists if you run against a brick wall and against an angled grassy hill (or: a bendy car hood). Not only will the elastic hood (and the roll) absorb part of the collision energy, the angle of the hood stretches the acceleration over longer time and reduces the force transfered on your body. So if you get the choice as a cyclist, the choice is pretty clear.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  Mass also affects force transferred, during contact. Newton's 3rd law, implies the more mass you have the less recoil you feel. For example hitting a massive box will hurt a lot more than a light box, because light box will get some acceleration of its own vs massive box.
  - atoav 4y ago
    I neglected mass here, because I don't think it really makes much of a difference in the deadliness of the collision (car is always much heavier than cyclist). One thing it would definitely affect tho is the time within which the car could brake, provided they react in time.
  - Xylakant 4y ago
    Though at the mass ratios of car vs pedestrian/cyclists, the difference on the car side makes no significant effect. It doesn‘t really matter if the ratio is 1:10 in favor of the car or 1:20. The acceleration that the car will feel is negligible either way.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> The majority of serious injuries happen not upon collision with the vehicle, but when hitting the ground afterwards. That claim right there is begging for a source. It's hard to imagine landing from a person's height is worse than hitting a brick wall moving 40 km/h, unless that brick wall also threw you more than 6 meters up into the air, which point at which you'd be moving faster than 40km/h when you hit the ground.
- InitialLastName 4y ago
  A few months ago, I saw a pedestrian get hit by an SUV going ~40mph (64km/h). He flew far enough that when he came to a stop he was a good ways down the road. If you made it through the sudden acceleration to 40mph, I could also see "the road braking you from 40mph to zero" doing some damage. As another example, here's a locally-high-profile crash [0] (the driver, a city councilwoman and the daughter of the county commissioner, left the scene and didn't report the crash for hours). Red lights and sightlines aside, even though not much momentum is imparted to the cyclist, the crash was enough to flip him over and knock him into the air, which changes all of the calculus for landing damage from what normally happens when you fall off a bicycle. If you land straight down on your head, it might be worse for you than getting hit in the torso at a higher speed. [0] Content warning: this is a video of someone getting hit by a car https://youtu.be/X7V_H9bADDM?t=54 https://youtu.be/X7V_H9bADDM?t=54

by kqr 4y ago

NegativeLatency 4y ago

Been hit a couple of times, I’d be dead if I went under instead of rolling over the cars

atoav 4y ago

Yeah, but landing on the round hood of a VW Polo vs being hit by the equivalent of a rolling brick wall makes a difference. If you look at the formula for acceleration (a = ∆v/∆t) and acceleration force (F = a⋅m) the only two things we can truly influence here are speed (slower collisions are less dangerous) and time (collisions where the force transfer takes longer produce less force). The latter is what makes the difference between getting hit with an cushion and an equally heavy rock. The same difference exists if you run against a brick wall and against an angled grassy hill (or: a bendy car hood). Not only will the elastic hood (and the roll) absorb part of the collision energy, the angle of the hood stretches the acceleration over longer time and reduces the force transfered on your body. So if you get the choice as a cyclist, the choice is pretty clear.

Ygg2 4y ago
Mass also affects force transferred, during contact. Newton's 3rd law, implies the more mass you have the less recoil you feel. For example hitting a massive box will hurt a lot more than a light box, because light box will get some acceleration of its own vs massive box.
- atoav 4y ago
  I neglected mass here, because I don't think it really makes much of a difference in the deadliness of the collision (car is always much heavier than cyclist). One thing it would definitely affect tho is the time within which the car could brake, provided they react in time.
- Xylakant 4y ago
  Though at the mass ratios of car vs pedestrian/cyclists, the difference on the car side makes no significant effect. It doesn‘t really matter if the ratio is 1:10 in favor of the car or 1:20. The acceleration that the car will feel is negligible either way.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

> The majority of serious injuries happen not upon collision with the vehicle, but when hitting the ground afterwards. That claim right there is begging for a source. It's hard to imagine landing from a person's height is worse than hitting a brick wall moving 40 km/h, unless that brick wall also threw you more than 6 meters up into the air, which point at which you'd be moving faster than 40km/h when you hit the ground.

InitialLastName 4y ago
A few months ago, I saw a pedestrian get hit by an SUV going ~40mph (64km/h). He flew far enough that when he came to a stop he was a good ways down the road. If you made it through the sudden acceleration to 40mph, I could also see "the road braking you from 40mph to zero" doing some damage. As another example, here's a locally-high-profile crash [0] (the driver, a city councilwoman and the daughter of the county commissioner, left the scene and didn't report the crash for hours). Red lights and sightlines aside, even though not much momentum is imparted to the cyclist, the crash was enough to flip him over and knock him into the air, which changes all of the calculus for landing damage from what normally happens when you fall off a bicycle. If you land straight down on your head, it might be worse for you than getting hit in the torso at a higher speed. [0] Content warning: this is a video of someone getting hit by a car https://youtu.be/X7V_H9bADDM?t=54 https://youtu.be/X7V_H9bADDM?t=54