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despite cloudflare claiming to be neutral it has deplatformed in the past and can do so again

by donkarma 4y ago

bogantech 4y ago
But shouldn't
- binbashthefash 4y ago
  So it should replatform others to be fair I guess, otherwise it would seem to be favorable treatment for kiwi farms
  - HereIGoAgain 4y ago
    What has KF done that puts it on the level of the sites (incorrectly) dropped in the past? To be clear here, i'm coming from a POV that doesn't think a network infrastructure org has any business picking and choosing. That's how you break and ruin the net.
ars 4y ago
I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.
- deepdriver 4y ago
  The implication is that Keffals and friends will DDoS the site out of existence, as they have apparently tried to do numerous times. This is of course criminal but goes unmentioned.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Requests made as part of a ddos are as free as any other form of speech. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but it's true.
    - psyc 4y ago
      Is it? I'm one of those free speech people, I think, but I do recognize that some 'speech' is harassment when combined with action. Not because of the content, but because you're intending to disrupt somebody, such as following them around all day and yelling. DDoS seems like that. Doesn't it? I mean you're not even saying anything. It's like saying throwing rocks at a window is speech. "What? I'm just trying to say I don't like you. Speech!"
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        As an absolutist, this line of thinking just doesn't have a stopping point. Speech acts are inherently violent. There is no line to draw.
        HereIGoAgain 4y ago
        Yeah, i'm guessing you have no idea what violence actually means.. It must be pretty privileged to be able to hold such a view of things.
    - _9xrb 4y ago
      Absolutely wrong, DDoS attacks are illegal under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, section 1030(a)(5): https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46536.pdf https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46536.pdf
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        There's a lot of things we should be able to say but can't. Confusing what we can speak and should be able to speak is an error in thinking.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    It's not like the IP range of the origin servers isn't known. It's more that Cloudflare is the one thing that makes the site financially viable.
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
  You are aware that DDOSAs are illegal, and that KF doesn't do anything legally even questionable right? CF is an infrastructure service company and thus are the very LAST people who should be picking and choosing.. not if we want the net to keep working freely.
- bauruine 4y ago
  The owner of Kiwifarms, Joshua Moon has written an article about why being dropped by CloudFlare would he a huge threat to the site [0] [0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-ends-death-internet https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-end...
  - psyc 4y ago
    I am so disappointed in this species. I mean, I was before I read that too.
  - deepdriver 4y ago
    This article was extremely worth reading, thank you for posting.

despite cloudflare claiming to be neutral it has deplatformed in the past and can do so again

bogantech 4y ago

But shouldn't

binbashthefash 4y ago
So it should replatform others to be fair I guess, otherwise it would seem to be favorable treatment for kiwi farms
- HereIGoAgain 4y ago
  What has KF done that puts it on the level of the sites (incorrectly) dropped in the past? To be clear here, i'm coming from a POV that doesn't think a network infrastructure org has any business picking and choosing. That's how you break and ruin the net.

ars 4y ago

I was all set to write a comment about how I'm not OK with private companies deciding who can exist on the internet - but then I remembered that all CloudFlare does is caching and DDOS protection. Without CloudFlare the website would still be accessible on the Internet. And to me that makes a big difference.

deepdriver 4y ago
The implication is that Keffals and friends will DDoS the site out of existence, as they have apparently tried to do numerous times. This is of course criminal but goes unmentioned.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Requests made as part of a ddos are as free as any other form of speech. A lot of people don't like to admit it, but it's true.
  - psyc 4y ago
    Is it? I'm one of those free speech people, I think, but I do recognize that some 'speech' is harassment when combined with action. Not because of the content, but because you're intending to disrupt somebody, such as following them around all day and yelling. DDoS seems like that. Doesn't it? I mean you're not even saying anything. It's like saying throwing rocks at a window is speech. "What? I'm just trying to say I don't like you. Speech!"
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      As an absolutist, this line of thinking just doesn't have a stopping point. Speech acts are inherently violent. There is no line to draw.
      - HereIGoAgain 4y ago
        Yeah, i'm guessing you have no idea what violence actually means.. It must be pretty privileged to be able to hold such a view of things.
  - _9xrb 4y ago
    Absolutely wrong, DDoS attacks are illegal under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, section 1030(a)(5): https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46536.pdf https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46536.pdf
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      There's a lot of things we should be able to say but can't. Confusing what we can speak and should be able to speak is an error in thinking.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  It's not like the IP range of the origin servers isn't known. It's more that Cloudflare is the one thing that makes the site financially viable.
HereIGoAgain 4y ago
You are aware that DDOSAs are illegal, and that KF doesn't do anything legally even questionable right? CF is an infrastructure service company and thus are the very LAST people who should be picking and choosing.. not if we want the net to keep working freely.
bauruine 4y ago
The owner of Kiwifarms, Joshua Moon has written an article about why being dropped by CloudFlare would he a huge threat to the site [0] [0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-ends-death-internet https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-end...
- psyc 4y ago
  I am so disappointed in this species. I mean, I was before I read that too.
- deepdriver 4y ago
  This article was extremely worth reading, thank you for posting.