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The really smart models will put together an AI to generate images of them using only their own images as training data, and then they can sit back and profit.

The really smart models will put together an AI to generate images of them using only their own images as training data, and then they can sit back and profit. Eventually we'll be watching generated personalities on twitch playing video games, and then we'll know the end is nigh. There is no infinity, eventually the snake chokes on its own tail...

Barrin92 4y ago
>Eventually we'll be watching generated personalities on twitch playing video games that won't happen because the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer. (the modern derogatory term is 'parasocial relationship'). just like nobody watches chess computers or starcraft bots play nobody is going to watch bots play games. in fact to stay on the topic of the thread, people are making millions on onlyfans because they realized chatting with their viewers is much more valuable than generic pornography.
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  > the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer Right - that’s where the money is made. The people that pay them have to be found in the broader market, though, and that’s where this sort of thing would shine. A streamer could pump out a stupid amount of content with this, always fresh and new, with little or no ongoing time commitment. That in turn would free up their time to provide personalized content to paying customers.
  - CTDOCodebases 4y ago
    No joke Instagram influencers already do this to a degree. I knew a guy who came across a post by an influencer at the cafe he worked at. She never came in. A different girl came in and had breakfast taking photos of the food and scenery. It wasn’t a paid post. She just needed content so she outsourced it to someone who generated it for her.
- xg15 4y ago
  > that won't happen because the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer. (the modern derogatory term is 'parasocial relationship'). That "personal connection" is about as deep as the one I have to my favourite bartender. So I think the negative connotation of the term is quite justified. I'm pretty sure, once we can add the ability to read and write external state to GPT3 and make the state personalized by user, we can emulate that as well :)
- kbenson 4y ago
  There may be a difference between what we currently know as "bots" and when someone finally links generated images/video, and content through text and speech together into something that does a good approximation of a person. The fact that it might occasionally do or say crazy things as it's not a real person might even be part of the draw. It's not like real people don't sometimes adopt controversial opinions purely for the attention it brings.
Zuider 4y ago
Those generated images, fixed permanently in the stage of early adulthood could still be produced when the model is well past retirement age.
- kbenson 4y ago
  Yep, that was one of the aspects that came to mind. I wonder if anyone has trained up a bunch of Marilyn Monroe images to generate new content of her? What's the legal precedent for for those images? Does it depend on the source set of data? If that's public domain, does that mean new images are owned by the producer (who is likely to be someone else entirely)? Is it more like someone that draws a likeness of someone else (I'm not sure the copyright of that either, but it's probably well defined by this point).
  - Zuider 4y ago
    There has been a series of pop concerts of late featuring holograms sometimes of deceased members, notably the group TLC who toured with a hologram of the late Lisa 'Left eye' Lopes who had died in a car crash a decade before. Some kind of legal precedent must have been set in order to permit that to happen. In this case, it looks like whoever holds the rights to the original performances from which the holograms were generated is the owner. It would be a different matter, as you outlined above, if one created a digital facsimile of a person and used it to perform in ways that the original person did not. Does a person own their own persona?
zyx321 4y ago
We've already got vtubers playing robot characters, it feels like it's only a matter of time before someone attempts to make a 'true' AI vtuber. Though I suspect we're still a while away from AI being able to complete arbitrary video games.

Barrin92 4y ago

>Eventually we'll be watching generated personalities on twitch playing video games that won't happen because the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer. (the modern derogatory term is 'parasocial relationship'). just like nobody watches chess computers or starcraft bots play nobody is going to watch bots play games. in fact to stay on the topic of the thread, people are making millions on onlyfans because they realized chatting with their viewers is much more valuable than generic pornography.

Ancapistani 4y ago
> the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer Right - that’s where the money is made. The people that pay them have to be found in the broader market, though, and that’s where this sort of thing would shine. A streamer could pump out a stupid amount of content with this, always fresh and new, with little or no ongoing time commitment. That in turn would free up their time to provide personalized content to paying customers.
- CTDOCodebases 4y ago
  No joke Instagram influencers already do this to a degree. I knew a guy who came across a post by an influencer at the cafe he worked at. She never came in. A different girl came in and had breakfast taking photos of the food and scenery. It wasn’t a paid post. She just needed content so she outsourced it to someone who generated it for her.
xg15 4y ago
> that won't happen because the entire value proposition is in the personal connection to the streamer. (the modern derogatory term is 'parasocial relationship'). That "personal connection" is about as deep as the one I have to my favourite bartender. So I think the negative connotation of the term is quite justified. I'm pretty sure, once we can add the ability to read and write external state to GPT3 and make the state personalized by user, we can emulate that as well :)
kbenson 4y ago
There may be a difference between what we currently know as "bots" and when someone finally links generated images/video, and content through text and speech together into something that does a good approximation of a person. The fact that it might occasionally do or say crazy things as it's not a real person might even be part of the draw. It's not like real people don't sometimes adopt controversial opinions purely for the attention it brings.

Zuider 4y ago

Those generated images, fixed permanently in the stage of early adulthood could still be produced when the model is well past retirement age.

kbenson 4y ago
Yep, that was one of the aspects that came to mind. I wonder if anyone has trained up a bunch of Marilyn Monroe images to generate new content of her? What's the legal precedent for for those images? Does it depend on the source set of data? If that's public domain, does that mean new images are owned by the producer (who is likely to be someone else entirely)? Is it more like someone that draws a likeness of someone else (I'm not sure the copyright of that either, but it's probably well defined by this point).
- Zuider 4y ago
  There has been a series of pop concerts of late featuring holograms sometimes of deceased members, notably the group TLC who toured with a hologram of the late Lisa 'Left eye' Lopes who had died in a car crash a decade before. Some kind of legal precedent must have been set in order to permit that to happen. In this case, it looks like whoever holds the rights to the original performances from which the holograms were generated is the owner. It would be a different matter, as you outlined above, if one created a digital facsimile of a person and used it to perform in ways that the original person did not. Does a person own their own persona?

zyx321 4y ago

We've already got vtubers playing robot characters, it feels like it's only a matter of time before someone attempts to make a 'true' AI vtuber. Though I suspect we're still a while away from AI being able to complete arbitrary video games.