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hmm yes that will definitely not totally fuck up the dopamine systems of young men and make an already badly addicted generation hopelessly dependent on this sh

hmm yes that will definitely not totally fuck up the dopamine systems of young men and make an already badly addicted generation hopelessly dependent on this shit

LewisVerstappen 4y ago
We lost that battle a decade ago
stavros 4y ago
Better than Instagram, at least.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  no, its gonna have people combining dark pattern skinner box shit from insta and tiktok with the addictive nature of porn. and its gonna be way worse. yall wouldn't believe me if i told you how common straight up porn addiction is in young kids, it's fucking bad already. edit: @stickfigure i'm can y'all please quit trying to tar me with this brush, it's bullshit. i'm not arguing about masturbation i'm saying excessive consumption of porn when people have limitless access to weird ass shit that doesn't reflect the real world is causing problems. don't try to make me some puritan or whatever because literally nothing i said suggests that.
  - stickfigure 4y ago
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tagami 4y ago
/snark Welcome to the metaverse
superkuh 4y ago
Porn "addiction" and all that hand wringing is just FUD from the moral panic types and the skeezy media "doctors" that prey on them. In fact non-substance "addictions" aren't recognized at all. "Gambling disorder" is presently the only condition in the subsection of "Non-substance-related disorders" in DSM 5. Addiction mediated by chemicals that directly increase perceptions of incentive salience through mesolimbic dopaminergic activation are real addictions. Perceptions of sensory stimuli come in through the normal paths do not directly hijack any part of the brain like addictive chemicals do. Downstream of the stimuli there may be reward learning but it's through normal channels, not directly turning up incentive salience. You actually have to like/enjoy something first before reward learning happens.
- MisterMower 4y ago
  They’re working on changing that, too.
- wyager 4y ago
  Is there a DSM-5 condition for outsourcing all your rational facilities to the DSM-5?
  - superkuh 4y ago
    I cited the current status quo and then I explained the scientific reasoning behind it. You are implying the DSM 5 created my beliefs, but I only cited it here because if I just stated the science alone I'd be critized for that instead. I've spent decades reading journal articles on this topic and there's every reason to believe that substance mediated addition is a very different thing than non-substance mediated "addiction". The crackpots and abusive groups out there holding "porn addiction" and related treatment camps and services are just about as legit as the "pray the gay away" camps. They're completely unethical and unsupported but moral panic keeps them flush with cash.
    - flir 4y ago
      Is it possible your issue is with the overloading of the word "addiction"? If we called it a compulsion instead would you be ok with that? 'cos I'm just thinking that Skinner boxes look pretty damn addictive from the outside, regardless of the precise mecahnism of action.

hmm yes that will definitely not totally fuck up the dopamine systems of young men and make an already badly addicted generation hopelessly dependent on this shit

LewisVerstappen 4y ago

We lost that battle a decade ago

stavros 4y ago

Better than Instagram, at least.

collegeburner 4y ago
no, its gonna have people combining dark pattern skinner box shit from insta and tiktok with the addictive nature of porn. and its gonna be way worse. yall wouldn't believe me if i told you how common straight up porn addiction is in young kids, it's fucking bad already. edit: @stickfigure i'm can y'all please quit trying to tar me with this brush, it's bullshit. i'm not arguing about masturbation i'm saying excessive consumption of porn when people have limitless access to weird ass shit that doesn't reflect the real world is causing problems. don't try to make me some puritan or whatever because literally nothing i said suggests that.
- stickfigure 4y ago

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tagami 4y ago

/snark Welcome to the metaverse

superkuh 4y ago

Porn "addiction" and all that hand wringing is just FUD from the moral panic types and the skeezy media "doctors" that prey on them. In fact non-substance "addictions" aren't recognized at all. "Gambling disorder" is presently the only condition in the subsection of "Non-substance-related disorders" in DSM 5. Addiction mediated by chemicals that directly increase perceptions of incentive salience through mesolimbic dopaminergic activation are real addictions. Perceptions of sensory stimuli come in through the normal paths do not directly hijack any part of the brain like addictive chemicals do. Downstream of the stimuli there may be reward learning but it's through normal channels, not directly turning up incentive salience. You actually have to like/enjoy something first before reward learning happens.

MisterMower 4y ago
They’re working on changing that, too.
wyager 4y ago
Is there a DSM-5 condition for outsourcing all your rational facilities to the DSM-5?
- superkuh 4y ago
  I cited the current status quo and then I explained the scientific reasoning behind it. You are implying the DSM 5 created my beliefs, but I only cited it here because if I just stated the science alone I'd be critized for that instead. I've spent decades reading journal articles on this topic and there's every reason to believe that substance mediated addition is a very different thing than non-substance mediated "addiction". The crackpots and abusive groups out there holding "porn addiction" and related treatment camps and services are just about as legit as the "pray the gay away" camps. They're completely unethical and unsupported but moral panic keeps them flush with cash.
  - flir 4y ago
    Is it possible your issue is with the overloading of the word "addiction"? If we called it a compulsion instead would you be ok with that? 'cos I'm just thinking that Skinner boxes look pretty damn addictive from the outside, regardless of the precise mecahnism of action.