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Unfortunately, don't think folks watching CP would stop at that. Porn is an addiction (or compulsion?) and I don't see how CP makes it any better for folks with
by ignoramous 4y ago
Unfortunately, don't think folks watching CP would stop at that. Porn is an addiction (or compulsion?) and I don't see how CP makes it any better for folks with pedophilic tendencies.
To think that porn reduces sexual tendencies may be true (in the short to mid term), but eventually, as the addiction intensifies, those hooked have the urge to seek more novel, more aggressive versions of it (in reel or for real).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography#Sexual_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography#Sexual_...
- komali2 4y agoI wish people would explain why they're downvoting these ethics-related comments so aggressively, because I'm interested in these conversations and not sure why other users find them irrelevant.
- pid-1 4y agoDevelopers like pretending technology is always good and/or inevitable, I think this sort of question is uncomfortable to many folks.
- dragonwriter 4y agoThe GP comment made largely unsupported fact claims, rather than ethical ones.
- fragmede 4y agoI'd bet that downvoting is a kneejerk response to the claim "porn is an addiction".
- moomoo11 4y agoAnything can be addiction. Hell I got addicted to weed. At first for years it was fine but then I got into some rough patches when the pandemic started and I was blazed all day every day. It was a temporary escape where I could still do my job but beyond that I had zero motivation for months besides getting more weed. Took months to kick the habit, completely.
- pnt12 4y agoIs it knee-jerk? Alcoholism is pretty serious, but you wouldn't say "beer is an addiction". Same with video game addiction and many other things. I find it a pretty prude generalization: it's a catch phrase for people who get offended by sex.
- psyc 4y agoEthics? Please. It's moral panic. The putatively ethical folks having a "harmless" academic discussion about which nice things everybody is or isn't allowed to have, according to them.
- Throwaway556655 4y agoNow it's clear to me you're not being sarcastic. It's not about morals, I'm all in for you to have access to as much porn as you want, as long it's legal. If that's healthy or not for your mind, that's an entirely different story.
- psyc 4y agoI don't trust you concerned "we live in a society" types any further than I can throw yous. (This is tongue in cheek. I'm not upset.)
- noduerme 4y agoI think it demonstrates why it's so easy for technology to run ahead of ethics. No one wants to hear a public safety announcement when they get the keys to a new car. OTOH, I think the risk of CSAM from this kind of thing is overblown, because either (1) it wouldn't actually involve real children in any way, or (2) the model would have to be train on actual CSAM, which there are already laws against. If no humans are harmed by it at any stage, then how's it any different from the CGI murders all over movies and TV? In the absence of harm, the only reason to consider it a crime is that it's disgusting. But we don't prosecute people for having sick thoughts, just for acting on them. If you take the child and abuse out of the equation, the only argument left is that seeing CSAM (artificial or not) is a "gateway drug" to commiting child abuse. If that's the case then why shouldn't we prosecute people for watching Dexter, on the grounds that they're on their way to becoming serial killers?
- kbenson 4y ago> If no humans are harmed by it at any stage, then how's it any different from the CGI murders all over movies and TV? In the absence of harm, the only reason to consider it a crime is that it's disgusting. But we don't prosecute people for having sick thoughts, just for acting on them. You say that, but created from scratch drawn material is illegal in some countries. What you've stated is a nice ideal but often doesn't match reality, and I'm on the fence as to whether that's a necessarily a bad thing in this case (I'm not sure we really know enough about sexual drive and how it interacts with the subconscious to know whether it's actually benign or has a societal cost).
- varajelle 4y ago> You say that, but created from scratch drawn material is illegal in some countries. Homosexuality is illegal in some countries.
- kbenson 4y agoMy point was the last sentence of what I quoted doesn't quite match reality. We do prosecute people for sick thoughts in some of these cases, regardless of whether we should.
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- dang 4y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32573719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32573719.
- dang 4y agoThe guidelines specifically ask you not to post like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. It's completely off-topic and, what's worse, repetitive. It's frustrating not to be able to know the reasons for downvotes, but it's the nature of the beast. Sometimes people think we should require explanations, but you can't change the way people are by demanding they jump through a hoop. If you see unfairly downvoted comments, give them a corrective upvote (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corrective%20upvote https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Other users will hopefully do that too. A lot of the time, that happens and then posts like this end up as uncollected garbage in the thread, complaining about something that doesn't exist anymore.
- ignoramous 4y agoI've personally noticed that the collective upvotes start right after someone posts "why downvote" rant like gp did.
- dang 4y agoYes, I'm sure that's a thing too.
- psyc 4y agoAdd reefer into the mix, and you've got a recipe for madness.
- Throwaway556655 4y agoI don't know if you're being sarcastic here or not, but I've mixed porn with stimulants and the result is definitely pretty. I've went through 16-hour masturbation sessions and have done things I would havje never imagined. The thoughts still haunt me. Porn addiction is not a joke.
- whiddershins 4y agoIt is a terrible idea to compare pedophilia to drug use. One might be a victimless crime. The other never can be.
- johnny22 4y agoperhaps it was just in response to the second part > To think that porn reduces sexual tendencies may be true (in the short to mid term), but eventually, as the addiction intensifies, those hooked have the urge to seek more novel, more aggressive versions of it (in reel or for real). and if so, it's a joke about the reefer madness movie and moral panic
- psyc 4y ago
- dang 4y agoWould you mind reviewing the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? You broke quite a few of them here—especially this one: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
- version_five 4y agoOtoh, I have read articles worrying that young men aren't going out looking to meet women like they used to, because they are satisfying their desires though porn.
- deepdriver 4y agoNot at all contradictory. Opioid addicts need higher and higher doses for their fix. In the worst case they too drop out of society, committing crimes such as theft and prostitution to service their addiction.
- Viliam1234 4y agoI agree that people addicted to porn want more porn. The question is whether they also want more real-life sex, or less real-life sex. It seems weird to have simultaneously a moral panic about both options.
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- hoseja 4y agoOh no the engine of society is losing fuel to burn through, how awful. How will the necrarchy ever afford their servants if the subjects have dodged the exploitation of their reproductive urge.
- orestarod 4y agoIf you fear your reproductive urge is being exploited, I think eradicating the exploitators is a better course of action than withholding having children. There are better reasons not to have children than using it as a way to harm your overlords.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y agoIs that any different from the argument about violent videogames back in the day? Or Dungeons & Dragons before that?