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And move where? Most of the cities that are growing have a housing crisis. Most of the cities that are shrinking can have major safety issues - see @pontifier's

And move where? Most of the cities that are growing have a housing crisis. Most of the cities that are shrinking can have major safety issues - see @pontifier's misadventure in Pine Bluff, AR[1] for a particularly extreme anecdote. 1. https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bought-pine-bluff-arkansas https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bought-pine-bluff...

giantg2 4y ago
There can be a vicious cycle driving safety concerns. If people being jobs to the area (pontifier didn’t) then things can get better. There are countless other towns and cities and they don't all have a safety problem. There are plenty of smaller cities in Appalachia that could be good candidates.
- kritiko 4y ago
  I’m curious what cities you have in mind. I’ve spent time in Western, PA and while it’s definitely a lot safer than Pine Bluff, feels like there’s lots of issues with pollution, blight, and opiates even with fracking jobs and money coming into the area.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    Opiates are literally everywhere, even in affluent areas (Chester County's main line area has issues, but they look different since they have money). Blight (assuming this is houses that don't look great) is going to occur anywhere there's a lack of money. The reason jobs don't fully fix the blight is that many of those people are on a fixed income and retired (elderly are an outsized portion of the population since the kids had to move away for work). The people who do have jobs tend to have well kept properties. I'm not sure about the pollution problem aside from some sulfur creeks in the region. I'm sure there are plenty of candidate cities throughout the overall region, and it would likely depend on what the industry is. Someplace around Indiana PA would be good if you need semi close access to a commercial airport, a larger city, or a college. Erie could be similar. Johnstown PA area is good if you have government contracts, defense work, or need a regional or shipping airport. Bedford or Breezewood PA can be good for warehouses and shipping with the highways. Medium to small companies would be well served to position themselves between two medium/small towns for cheap land and larger workforce pool without being near the larger cities, like Millville and Stillwater as an example.

giantg2 4y ago

There can be a vicious cycle driving safety concerns. If people being jobs to the area (pontifier didn’t) then things can get better. There are countless other towns and cities and they don't all have a safety problem. There are plenty of smaller cities in Appalachia that could be good candidates.

kritiko 4y ago
I’m curious what cities you have in mind. I’ve spent time in Western, PA and while it’s definitely a lot safer than Pine Bluff, feels like there’s lots of issues with pollution, blight, and opiates even with fracking jobs and money coming into the area.
- giantg2 4y ago
  Opiates are literally everywhere, even in affluent areas (Chester County's main line area has issues, but they look different since they have money). Blight (assuming this is houses that don't look great) is going to occur anywhere there's a lack of money. The reason jobs don't fully fix the blight is that many of those people are on a fixed income and retired (elderly are an outsized portion of the population since the kids had to move away for work). The people who do have jobs tend to have well kept properties. I'm not sure about the pollution problem aside from some sulfur creeks in the region. I'm sure there are plenty of candidate cities throughout the overall region, and it would likely depend on what the industry is. Someplace around Indiana PA would be good if you need semi close access to a commercial airport, a larger city, or a college. Erie could be similar. Johnstown PA area is good if you have government contracts, defense work, or need a regional or shipping airport. Bedford or Breezewood PA can be good for warehouses and shipping with the highways. Medium to small companies would be well served to position themselves between two medium/small towns for cheap land and larger workforce pool without being near the larger cities, like Millville and Stillwater as an example.