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Alternate viewpoint, we have more than enough students graduating in Computer Science and other STEM fields, many of whom have a hard time finding a job because

Alternate viewpoint, we have more than enough students graduating in Computer Science and other STEM fields, many of whom have a hard time finding a job because most companies don't want to invest in training anyone up anymore, and they're enabled by the H1B program. If we incentivized/forced companies to build people up from basic college graduate again, it would be even better than finding skilled immigrants.

mywittyname 4y ago
H1B employees cost a lot more to employ than fresh grads. On top of having to pay above average wage, companies have to employ lawyers to handle a lot of paperwork. > most companies don't want to invest in training anyone up anymore The past four companies I've worked for had training programs for new employees and internship programs to funnel college students into jobs after graduation. Maybe bad experience on your part?
- atwood22 4y ago
  Do H1Bs really earn above average wage? Haven’t seen that. Overall, H1Bs increase the labor supply, which decreases the price of labor.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    depends on the field but its a bad and outdated assumption to make, at least for tech department of labor forces companies to submit compensation data someone aggregates this on h1bdata.info (the data is not uniform though, as some companies are including total compensation and this is normalized as “salary”)
  - outworlder 4y ago
    In tech? Absolutely.
    - atwood22 4y ago
      They earn above the tech average wage, or they earn above average wage in the country? If they work in tech, but earn below the average tech wage, then they’d actually be bringing the average wage down when you consider the opportunity cost.
nxmnxm99 4y ago
The average H1B is more talented than the average American STEM graduate. That's why they're having trouble getting jobs.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  You're basing that assertion on what data? If that's really the case, our schools need to do a better job of prioritizing entrants into STEM classes -- talk to a prospective CS student at Stanford or Berkeley and ask them how easy it is to get into the program, for example.
  - nxmnxm99 4y ago
    Why are you comparing to Stanford and Berkeley students? They're not having issues finding STEM jobs.
- tangjurine 4y ago
  I would agree, from my anecdotal experience.

mywittyname 4y ago

H1B employees cost a lot more to employ than fresh grads. On top of having to pay above average wage, companies have to employ lawyers to handle a lot of paperwork. > most companies don't want to invest in training anyone up anymore The past four companies I've worked for had training programs for new employees and internship programs to funnel college students into jobs after graduation. Maybe bad experience on your part?

atwood22 4y ago
Do H1Bs really earn above average wage? Haven’t seen that. Overall, H1Bs increase the labor supply, which decreases the price of labor.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  depends on the field but its a bad and outdated assumption to make, at least for tech department of labor forces companies to submit compensation data someone aggregates this on h1bdata.info (the data is not uniform though, as some companies are including total compensation and this is normalized as “salary”)
- outworlder 4y ago
  In tech? Absolutely.
  - atwood22 4y ago
    They earn above the tech average wage, or they earn above average wage in the country? If they work in tech, but earn below the average tech wage, then they’d actually be bringing the average wage down when you consider the opportunity cost.

nxmnxm99 4y ago

The average H1B is more talented than the average American STEM graduate. That's why they're having trouble getting jobs.

KerrAvon 4y ago
You're basing that assertion on what data? If that's really the case, our schools need to do a better job of prioritizing entrants into STEM classes -- talk to a prospective CS student at Stanford or Berkeley and ask them how easy it is to get into the program, for example.
- nxmnxm99 4y ago
  Why are you comparing to Stanford and Berkeley students? They're not having issues finding STEM jobs.
tangjurine 4y ago
I would agree, from my anecdotal experience.