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> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relev

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants taken in vs other countries. Yes the US is large and can take in a lot of immigrants, and we do, by far.

nine_zeros 4y ago
> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years. The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile. America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives. > A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. This is misinformation as citizenship petition N-400 is merely the last step. This does not count the time for green card before this. Getting a green card could take 3-10 years. Then, they'd need to remain a permanent resident for 5 years before they can even apply for citizenship.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  No 14.5 months is the average for naturalization. https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-citizenship-after-applying/ https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-doe... Total time is 18.5-24 months to wrap up everything, but the 14.5 months you're able to be in the US which is what matters. How does that compare to other countries? What's your ideal country that has the best immigration times? - edit - Green card from nil is also just a year or so on average, in which case you are living in the US and able to work. These numbers are very comparable and much better than most countries. Please provide your ideal country so we can compare numbers.
  - ra7 4y ago
    Green card to naturalization is not the same as going from visa to green card.
  - qaq 4y ago
    You have to reside for 5 years on GC first. It can take years for GC to get processed so overall at present it can be close to 10 years.
  - cardine 4y ago
    The parent tweet is someone from India. Current green card wait times are approximately 10 years[1] right now. Given the length of the green card wait time you usually need some other visa (such as H1B) that will allow you to still live in the USA before you can actually apply for green card. Currently the H1B lottery approves less than half of the people who apply. So if you are trying to immigrate from India you are looking at: H1B (1-4 years depending lottery luck) Green Card (10+ years) Time to become US citizen (1-2 years from what you posted) So as a highly skilled advanced degree holder from India (the case of this Tweet) the overall time is 12-16 years and that is still no guarantee due to H1B being a lottery. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-card-waiting-time-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car... (See EB-2 and EB-3)
    - thisoneworks 4y ago
      Better source: 54 years for eb2/eb3. And that was 2019 backlog. Covid should've added half a decade more https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long#projected-future-wait-times https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigratio...
      - outworlder 4y ago
        Which means that, if your child a newborn (but not born in the US), they won't qualify. The process has to be completed before their 21st birthday.
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bialpio 4y ago
I'm not sure where you got the 14.5 months from. This is roughly how much time it took for my citizenship application to get processed, but it does not include the 5 year period of being a permanent resident (and applying for it also took ~1.5 years). Total time from setting my foot in the US on H-1B to getting citizenship was roughly 8.5 years.
darth_avocado 4y ago
>14.5 months on average The system is different for everyone. It depends on visa types, country of origin and a bunch of other factors. Also, the 14.5 months on average is just the time it takes for USCIS to process the N400 application for naturalization. The actual time it takes for the naturalization is 18-24 months. And the biggest part that comes before you apply for naturalization for most immigrants is to obtain a Greencard, which takes the longest time, in some cases more than a few decades.
lemiant 4y ago
This shows a shocking level of ignorance about the US immigration system. Just straight off the bat you need to be a resident for 5 years before you can even apply for citizenship ( https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-citizen-through-naturalization https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-c... ). The full process is the better part of a decade in the best case (e.g. expensive lawyers, STEM degree, immigrating from an easy country like Canada). If you're from a country like China or India where lots of other people are also applying for those slots - or if anything else is less than optimal - you're looking at between a decade+ and never.
- shard 4y ago
  You can shorten the time you need to be a resident to 3 years by marrying a US citizen: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/citizenship-and-naturalization/i-am-married-to-a-us-citizen https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/ci...
  - kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    Yes, US citizens can sponsor foreign nationals both within and outside the USA for green cards through marriage. The process itself (current status or no status) to green card easily takes 2 years. Once that person arrives, they can get citizenship (not residency) within 3 years. The sentence structure though seems to imply marrying solely for status, which is fraud, and reflects very poorly on both applicant and petitioner. This kind of thing definitely happens which is why it takes 2 years for the honest applicants to get though, as the immigration system doesn't do a sufficient job filtering out fraud at the beginning stages of the petition and leaves too much of that work at the end of the petition stage (interview) which is where the biggest bottleneck is. source: personal experience as petitioner
    - shard 4y ago
      No implication to promote the commitment of fraud, simply stating a fact to correct the previous comment.
manuelabeledo 4y ago
> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. Year 6 here in the US, need to wait another 5 for the chance of becoming a citizen. What’s that path you are talking about?
- outworlder 4y ago
  An imaginary one.
UncleMeat 4y ago
And for an Indian citizen, you might wait for 50 years for a green card.
outworlder 4y ago
> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. Not even close. Heck, _permanent residency_ applications take longer than that. If your PERM gets audited, that step alone can eat more than one year. Even without that, 14.5 years for _residency_ would be shockingly fast. Some countries (like India) have a 100 year backlog, give or take a few decades. After you get permanent residency, add 5 more years. 3 years if married to a USC. There's NO WAY that any form of citizenship takes 14.5 months.

nine_zeros 4y ago

> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years. The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile. America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives. > A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. This is misinformation as citizenship petition N-400 is merely the last step. This does not count the time for green card before this. Getting a green card could take 3-10 years. Then, they'd need to remain a permanent resident for 5 years before they can even apply for citizenship.

hunterb123 4y ago
No 14.5 months is the average for naturalization. https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-does-it-take-to-get-citizenship-after-applying/ https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-doe... Total time is 18.5-24 months to wrap up everything, but the 14.5 months you're able to be in the US which is what matters. How does that compare to other countries? What's your ideal country that has the best immigration times? - edit - Green card from nil is also just a year or so on average, in which case you are living in the US and able to work. These numbers are very comparable and much better than most countries. Please provide your ideal country so we can compare numbers.
- ra7 4y ago
  Green card to naturalization is not the same as going from visa to green card.
- qaq 4y ago
  You have to reside for 5 years on GC first. It can take years for GC to get processed so overall at present it can be close to 10 years.
- cardine 4y ago
  The parent tweet is someone from India. Current green card wait times are approximately 10 years[1] right now. Given the length of the green card wait time you usually need some other visa (such as H1B) that will allow you to still live in the USA before you can actually apply for green card. Currently the H1B lottery approves less than half of the people who apply. So if you are trying to immigrate from India you are looking at: H1B (1-4 years depending lottery luck) Green Card (10+ years) Time to become US citizen (1-2 years from what you posted) So as a highly skilled advanced degree holder from India (the case of this Tweet) the overall time is 12-16 years and that is still no guarantee due to H1B being a lottery. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-card-waiting-time-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car... (See EB-2 and EB-3)
  - thisoneworks 4y ago
    Better source: 54 years for eb2/eb3. And that was 2019 backlog. Covid should've added half a decade more https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long#projected-future-wait-times https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigratio...
    - outworlder 4y ago
      Which means that, if your child a newborn (but not born in the US), they won't qualify. The process has to be completed before their 21st birthday.
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bialpio 4y ago

I'm not sure where you got the 14.5 months from. This is roughly how much time it took for my citizenship application to get processed, but it does not include the 5 year period of being a permanent resident (and applying for it also took ~1.5 years). Total time from setting my foot in the US on H-1B to getting citizenship was roughly 8.5 years.

darth_avocado 4y ago

>14.5 months on average The system is different for everyone. It depends on visa types, country of origin and a bunch of other factors. Also, the 14.5 months on average is just the time it takes for USCIS to process the N400 application for naturalization. The actual time it takes for the naturalization is 18-24 months. And the biggest part that comes before you apply for naturalization for most immigrants is to obtain a Greencard, which takes the longest time, in some cases more than a few decades.

lemiant 4y ago

This shows a shocking level of ignorance about the US immigration system. Just straight off the bat you need to be a resident for 5 years before you can even apply for citizenship ( https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-citizen-through-naturalization https://www.uscis.gov/forms/explore-my-options/become-a-us-c... ). The full process is the better part of a decade in the best case (e.g. expensive lawyers, STEM degree, immigrating from an easy country like Canada). If you're from a country like China or India where lots of other people are also applying for those slots - or if anything else is less than optimal - you're looking at between a decade+ and never.

shard 4y ago
You can shorten the time you need to be a resident to 3 years by marrying a US citizen: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/citizenship-and-naturalization/i-am-married-to-a-us-citizen https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/ci...
- kylehotchkiss 4y ago
  Yes, US citizens can sponsor foreign nationals both within and outside the USA for green cards through marriage. The process itself (current status or no status) to green card easily takes 2 years. Once that person arrives, they can get citizenship (not residency) within 3 years. The sentence structure though seems to imply marrying solely for status, which is fraud, and reflects very poorly on both applicant and petitioner. This kind of thing definitely happens which is why it takes 2 years for the honest applicants to get though, as the immigration system doesn't do a sufficient job filtering out fraud at the beginning stages of the petition and leaves too much of that work at the end of the petition stage (interview) which is where the biggest bottleneck is. source: personal experience as petitioner
  - shard 4y ago
    No implication to promote the commitment of fraud, simply stating a fact to correct the previous comment.

manuelabeledo 4y ago

> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. Year 6 here in the US, need to wait another 5 for the chance of becoming a citizen. What’s that path you are talking about?

outworlder 4y ago
An imaginary one.

UncleMeat 4y ago

And for an Indian citizen, you might wait for 50 years for a green card.

outworlder 4y ago

> A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. Not even close. Heck, _permanent residency_ applications take longer than that. If your PERM gets audited, that step alone can eat more than one year. Even without that, 14.5 years for _residency_ would be shockingly fast. Some countries (like India) have a 100 year backlog, give or take a few decades. After you get permanent residency, add 5 more years. 3 years if married to a USC. There's NO WAY that any form of citizenship takes 14.5 months.