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Do you own the home you live in or are you renting? Renting is enabled by doing just that, someone owning a home they don't live in. So you want to outlaw renti

by welder 4y ago

Do you own the home you live in or are you renting? Renting is enabled by doing just that, someone owning a home they don't live in. So you want to outlaw renting?

pwinnski 4y ago
There is a large and growing number of people who support the idea of outlawing renting from anyone other than the government (public housing). I don't think I agree, at least under current conditions, but then, I own my house.
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  > There is a large and growing number of people who support the idea of outlawing renting from anyone other than the government (public housing). Yes I love the idea, the only thing that will be more efficient and effective than the mega corp, property management companies that cause most of the problems, due to size and bureaucracy will be the federal government. I love this idea, they are always a paragon of efficiency of virtue, they never succumb to politicians and bureaucrats selling out those they serve for political reasons, and of course who could object to the government having ownership of every non-occupied home in America, I see no problem with that. Especially giving the government the implicit right to then dictate all future housing that will be built. I can see it now optimized for efficiency, compactness, and equality everyone lives in "the pod". Of course since you may move pods and it would be difficult to move your stuff you can't really have anything, but the American Housing Bureau would love to lease you everything you need for a much better price because they don't have to worry about "profit". It will be great we'll own nothing, we'll live in a pod, and of course at that point meat is going to be untenable so we can get protein from alternative sources like insects. I can't wait for it, I'll live in a wonderful pod, I'll own absolutely nothing, I'll eat bugs and I am going to be so HAPPY!
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    Your sarcasm seems to rest primarily on the idea that the government is the least-efficient actor possible, which is a popular theory promoted by a group of people who tend to spend their time in control of the government ensuring it is the least-efficient actor possible. Insert meme of Eric Andre shooting the government and then asking why the government would do such a thing. In truth, governments around the world deliver a wide range of services at a wide level of efficiencies, and even here in the US, any reasonable comparison of government-provided services with their direct non-governmental equivalents reveals that the government does better than popular image suggests. I mean, Fedex and UPS don't even deliver to many of the places the USPS does, and when they do, they charge more. Amazon relies heavily on USPS to deliver where they can't efficiently do so. And this is despite heavy-handed handicapping of the USPS in the form of onerous funding requirements by the same party who now tell you that the government is incapable of doing anything well. There is public housing available in many countries around the world that doesn't carry the legacy of the USA's past efforts. Public housing that is desirable for more than just the economic reasons. Public housing doesn't have to mean total government control of housing. Really good public housing is possible if people want it to happen more than they want to score political points by strangling any efforts in that direction. The biggest reason I don't support such a push in the USA is because I think there are too many people who think like the parent comment, and will not allow such efforts to succeed. That's not the only reason, though.
causi 4y ago
I own mine. The costs are significantly lower than the rent I was paying until last year. So you want to outlaw renting? You could make an argument against private renting. Personally I think the right step at this point in time is a relaxation of anti-construction laws such as zoning or parking requirements combined with charging sky-high taxes for unoccupied units. I also think owning single-family dwellings you don't spend at least three months a year in should be taxed so outrageously it's effectively illegal.

by welder 4y ago

Do you own the home you live in or are you renting? Renting is enabled by doing just that, someone owning a home they don't live in. So you want to outlaw renting?

pwinnski 4y ago

There is a large and growing number of people who support the idea of outlawing renting from anyone other than the government (public housing). I don't think I agree, at least under current conditions, but then, I own my house.

buscoquadnary 4y ago
> There is a large and growing number of people who support the idea of outlawing renting from anyone other than the government (public housing). Yes I love the idea, the only thing that will be more efficient and effective than the mega corp, property management companies that cause most of the problems, due to size and bureaucracy will be the federal government. I love this idea, they are always a paragon of efficiency of virtue, they never succumb to politicians and bureaucrats selling out those they serve for political reasons, and of course who could object to the government having ownership of every non-occupied home in America, I see no problem with that. Especially giving the government the implicit right to then dictate all future housing that will be built. I can see it now optimized for efficiency, compactness, and equality everyone lives in "the pod". Of course since you may move pods and it would be difficult to move your stuff you can't really have anything, but the American Housing Bureau would love to lease you everything you need for a much better price because they don't have to worry about "profit". It will be great we'll own nothing, we'll live in a pod, and of course at that point meat is going to be untenable so we can get protein from alternative sources like insects. I can't wait for it, I'll live in a wonderful pod, I'll own absolutely nothing, I'll eat bugs and I am going to be so HAPPY!
- pwinnski 4y ago
  Your sarcasm seems to rest primarily on the idea that the government is the least-efficient actor possible, which is a popular theory promoted by a group of people who tend to spend their time in control of the government ensuring it is the least-efficient actor possible. Insert meme of Eric Andre shooting the government and then asking why the government would do such a thing. In truth, governments around the world deliver a wide range of services at a wide level of efficiencies, and even here in the US, any reasonable comparison of government-provided services with their direct non-governmental equivalents reveals that the government does better than popular image suggests. I mean, Fedex and UPS don't even deliver to many of the places the USPS does, and when they do, they charge more. Amazon relies heavily on USPS to deliver where they can't efficiently do so. And this is despite heavy-handed handicapping of the USPS in the form of onerous funding requirements by the same party who now tell you that the government is incapable of doing anything well. There is public housing available in many countries around the world that doesn't carry the legacy of the USA's past efforts. Public housing that is desirable for more than just the economic reasons. Public housing doesn't have to mean total government control of housing. Really good public housing is possible if people want it to happen more than they want to score political points by strangling any efforts in that direction. The biggest reason I don't support such a push in the USA is because I think there are too many people who think like the parent comment, and will not allow such efforts to succeed. That's not the only reason, though.

causi 4y ago

I own mine. The costs are significantly lower than the rent I was paying until last year. So you want to outlaw renting? You could make an argument against private renting. Personally I think the right step at this point in time is a relaxation of anti-construction laws such as zoning or parking requirements combined with charging sky-high taxes for unoccupied units. I also think owning single-family dwellings you don't spend at least three months a year in should be taxed so outrageously it's effectively illegal.