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> I have to rain on your parade but there are many aspects of life in India that money cannot solve. I am no fan of the USA either but the "gun culture" thing i

by pm90 4y ago

> I have to rain on your parade but there are many aspects of life in India that money cannot solve. I am no fan of the USA either but the "gun culture" thing is a strawman that doesn't affect daily life in the cities. It is certainly a problem but not a problem that many make it out to be. Be careful with the healthcare argument too. India's legal and police systems are a joke and their healthcare system is cheap but kills millions every year due to medical negligence. The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to access it. I think its interesting that you manage to both minimize the impact of firearms in the US and ding the healthcare system of India in the same comment. I have to disagree with both. Guns are a constant threat, even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away (if you're not already a Blue City in a Red State which is extremely common). The threat of school shooting is very real. Kids have to go through bs "active shooter drills"... this is not the sign of a healthy society. Indian healthcare system certainly has flaws but it manages to provide basic healthcare to all citizens. There are lots of fantastic doctors trained every year in India. The legal and police systems, I buy that argument. The mainstream media, totally under the control of the authoritarian right wing Government. Modi. Those are legit criticisms.

brianwawok 4y ago
> I have to disagree with both. Guns are a constant threat, even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away (if you're not already a Blue City in a Red State which is extremely common). The threat of school shooting is very real. Kids have to go through bs "active shooter drills"... this is not the sign of a healthy society. Sorry you are buying far too much into the news. I suspect more people are burned alive in housefires from shoddy construction in India, than die in the US to guns.
- pm90 4y ago
  If you’re gonna wildly speculate then by all means go ahead and make up the most wildest shit imaginable.
  - ivalm 4y ago
    It’s actually surprisingly close in absolute numbers. About 20k not-self inflicted gun deaths in the us, and 17k deaths by fire in India. Ofc per capita gun deaths>>fires.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      The non-self inflicted is huge though, most gun deaths are suicides.
      - geebee 4y ago
        Correct - though the US doesn’t have a dramatically higher suicide rate compared to countries with vastly lower gun related homicide rates. So excluding non self inflicted rates may provide the more relevant metric for this analysis.
        bombcar 4y ago
        Yep - many people see the "gun deaths" number and assume all of those are crimes (well, technically suicide is a crime where the victim and the perpetrator are the same).
        brianwawok 4y ago
        In addition, a hunge chunk of the actual gun deaths are related to drug and drug trafficing. If you don't deal/buy drugs, and you don't drive through the inner city projects where turf wars are a thing, you can cross that off your list. I feel very safe from gun violence in the US.
        bombcar 4y ago
        Once you factor those out, I think you are MUCH more likely to be killed by a vehicle than anything else. And even if you don't, it's about even.
        4y ago
- nixass 4y ago
  > I suspect more people are burned alive in housefires from shoddy construction in India, than die in the US to guns ChEcKmAtE!
wowokay 4y ago
The threat of a school shooting is real everywhere, I don’t think the news does justice to showcase how often gun violence could have been avoided if the individuals in the kids life payed attention.
calculatte 4y ago
> even in the bluest of cities Are you telling me there is ACTUALLY gun violence in Chicago, Detroit, and New York? Well, knock me down with a feather! BTW Someone needs to tell India to get a handle on their vehicle death culture. It is a constant threat. Children are being absolutely slaughtered in the streets by these assault vehicles and the numbers are only rising.
drekipus 4y ago
> even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away I remember reading somewhere that the statistics and likelihood of innocents being shot were more closely tied to "blue" and gun-free cities and states. Is that not the case?
- programmer_dude 4y ago
  That makes sense. Gun control is an all or nothing thing. You can't ban guns in some states and let other states run amok with them. People and guns can move easily across state borders.

by pm90 4y ago

brianwawok 4y ago

> I have to disagree with both. Guns are a constant threat, even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away (if you're not already a Blue City in a Red State which is extremely common). The threat of school shooting is very real. Kids have to go through bs "active shooter drills"... this is not the sign of a healthy society. Sorry you are buying far too much into the news. I suspect more people are burned alive in housefires from shoddy construction in India, than die in the US to guns.

pm90 4y ago
If you’re gonna wildly speculate then by all means go ahead and make up the most wildest shit imaginable.
- ivalm 4y ago
  It’s actually surprisingly close in absolute numbers. About 20k not-self inflicted gun deaths in the us, and 17k deaths by fire in India. Ofc per capita gun deaths>>fires.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    The non-self inflicted is huge though, most gun deaths are suicides.
    - geebee 4y ago
      Correct - though the US doesn’t have a dramatically higher suicide rate compared to countries with vastly lower gun related homicide rates. So excluding non self inflicted rates may provide the more relevant metric for this analysis.
      - bombcar 4y ago
        Yep - many people see the "gun deaths" number and assume all of those are crimes (well, technically suicide is a crime where the victim and the perpetrator are the same).
        brianwawok 4y ago
        In addition, a hunge chunk of the actual gun deaths are related to drug and drug trafficing. If you don't deal/buy drugs, and you don't drive through the inner city projects where turf wars are a thing, you can cross that off your list. I feel very safe from gun violence in the US.
        bombcar 4y ago
        Once you factor those out, I think you are MUCH more likely to be killed by a vehicle than anything else. And even if you don't, it's about even.
      - 4y ago
nixass 4y ago
> I suspect more people are burned alive in housefires from shoddy construction in India, than die in the US to guns ChEcKmAtE!

wowokay 4y ago

The threat of a school shooting is real everywhere, I don’t think the news does justice to showcase how often gun violence could have been avoided if the individuals in the kids life payed attention.

calculatte 4y ago

> even in the bluest of cities Are you telling me there is ACTUALLY gun violence in Chicago, Detroit, and New York? Well, knock me down with a feather! BTW Someone needs to tell India to get a handle on their vehicle death culture. It is a constant threat. Children are being absolutely slaughtered in the streets by these assault vehicles and the numbers are only rising.

drekipus 4y ago

> even in the bluest of cities since there are Red States just a few hours of drive away I remember reading somewhere that the statistics and likelihood of innocents being shot were more closely tied to "blue" and gun-free cities and states. Is that not the case?

programmer_dude 4y ago
That makes sense. Gun control is an all or nothing thing. You can't ban guns in some states and let other states run amok with them. People and guns can move easily across state borders.