Yeah, mITX especially is super limiting. But ATX cases are pretty obnoxiously large, especially for anybody who has been buying HP or dell or the like desktops

Yeah, mITX especially is super limiting. But ATX cases are pretty obnoxiously large, especially for anybody who has been buying HP or dell or the like desktops, where the Full ITX cases look mosterous in comparison. microATX size is probably more of a sweet spot. Smaller, but at least you are not completely . I would have done microATX on my last system update, but I was going with Ryzen, and the only microATX boards available at the time with the better chipsets just had poor overall quality, failed to pack in a lot of rear IO to compensate, etc. I think the intel side microATX offering may have been better.