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I am not eating bugs, fungus and highly processed fake "meat" in the future. I will literally move to a rural farmland to get real food before I buy into this r

by _yoqn 4y ago

I am not eating bugs, fungus and highly processed fake "meat" in the future. I will literally move to a rural farmland to get real food before I buy into this ridiculous movement.

djbusby 4y ago
Start shopping now!
- _yoqn 4y ago
  I watch a lot of survival/catch/clean/cook videos on youtube just in case.
smt88 4y ago
Who cares? You're a single person and no one is forcing you to eat bugs, fungi, or fake meat. These products are for the many millions of people who prefer an inexpensive alternative to meat.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  Oh, but they will. They've already started: https://thecountersignal.com/uk-school-children-to-be-fed-bugs/ https://thecountersignal.com/uk-school-children-to-be-fed-bu...
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    This is pretty off-topic, but reading more about Christopher Bear and the research group, the children aren't forced to eat it.
  - AirborneUnicorn 4y ago
    For obvious reasons, I don’t think this is a reliable source for such a claim by any means.
    - _yoqn 4y ago
      It's not obvious. What do you mean?
  - _yoqn 4y ago
    They will find out the truth soon enough. I'm glad some on HN still have some sense.
- aerostable_slug 4y ago
  > These products are for the many millions of people who prefer an inexpensive alternative to meat. Millions? Beyond Meat is tanking right now. Also, the substitutes are more expensive, not less, especially for products like pork.
  - scrivna 4y ago
    Stock price is tanking, probably because they started a movement and now they have 100 competitors and own brand labels competing… there’s more choice than ever. “Price” is a premium because vegetarians will pay a premium for something by unique. Not because it costs more to make.
  - smt88 4y ago
    There are more than a billion vegetarians worldwide. There are many millions even in non-Hindu countries.
- youor 4y ago
- _yoqn 4y ago
  Totally not true. They are going to drive up the cost of real meat and other livestock in the name of "climate change" and force regular people to opt for cheaper sources of food such as algae proteins, fake "meat", cricket flour, etc. Why do you think Bill Gates has invested heavily in this field? He is a monopolist first and technologist after.
  - smt88 4y ago
    > They are going to drive up the cost of real meat and other livestock How will they do this, exactly? Also, isn't the cost of real meat too low as it is? It hasn't priced in climate externalities that other people (including non-meat-eaters) have to pay for. Shouldn't meat include all of its costs, not just the ones paid by the farmers?
    - _yoqn 4y ago
      > How will they do this, exactly? Easy. Heavily regulate the farmers with climate regulations including carbon taxes. Or pass emissions laws like they have in the Netherlands which would force ranchers to downsize their herds. This would drive up cost to produce and scarcity of the product. As for the second part of your comment I truly am not sure what you're talking about? It seems like your sentiment confirms the first part of my answer.
kellyjprice 4y ago
Would you consider lobster or crab, bugs?
- _yoqn 4y ago
  Crustaceans aren't insects.
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jallen_dot_dev 4y ago
What about lab-grown meat?
- oblak 4y ago
  It's been more than e decade since the first cultured meat stake was served in London. If I have to wait for much longer, my body wouldn't even want it anymore
- _yoqn 4y ago
  Repulsive.
scrivna 4y ago
Mushrooms aren’t “real food”? Yes it’s processed with some additions, but so is a meat sausage. Talking more broadly, not about OP. It seems a lot of people have this cognitive dissonance (I don’t know what to call it exactly) about what food is, maybe from their upbringing or religious beliefs or just society. I’ve spoken to people that are like “I don’t like any vegetarian food”… and I’m like… so you don’t eat fries? (Oh uh I guess 90% of what I eat is already vegetarian… mmhmm) Then if you dare get on to the topic of animal protein people are EXTREMELY conflicted in their views… if you eat a cow why not eat a horse? why not eat a dog, why not eat a monkey… oh hang on this is getting a bit close to eating humans… hang on are animals real feeling thinking creatures that while tasty also have some other properties maybe I haven’t considered before? Hmm
- scrivna 4y ago
  Then they don’t want to continue this conversation because they don’t want to internalise what they’re feeling and REALLY actually think about their choices because if I think I might have to change, and then comes the very human feeling of “I don’t want to change” or “that’s not who I am” as if it’s bad to grow and change as a person.
  - _yoqn 4y ago
    I have to say I don't want to continue the conversation because your reply is incomprehensible. This isn't about touchy feely internal reflection. All heavily marketed "trends" are predetermined to forward an ultimate agenda from the permanent elite class. Bill Gates doesn't want you eating beef and pork. He wants you eating his fake "meat" so they can shut down the livestock industry to save Mother Gaia from global warming. The AMA recommends against red meat because it's high in saturated fats. It's never been proven that saturated fats are the cause of atherosclerosis. Is this a conspiracy? Yes. But it's not a theory, the evidence is all around.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  > I’ve spoken to people that are like “I don’t like any vegetarian food”… and I’m like… so you don’t eat fries? (Oh uh I guess 90% of what I eat is already vegetarian… mmhmm) You can't (or shouldn't) live of fries. A complete vegetarian / vegan diet is not that enjoyable to eat, albeit all the processed vegetarian food make things way easier. I started brainwashing my parents at 16 with vegetarianism because I trusted the scienc struggled for 15 years to gain any muscle because vegetable based proteins are less bioavailable and eating a lot of proteins is hard. Got kidney stones because of the vegetarian protein shakes. After 15 years of eating a 95% low fat, high carb vegetarian diet (at least striving for it!) I started having serious health issues. Constant diarrhoea, stomach ulcers, anal bleeding. Took some meds to fix the symptoms and kind of live. 2 years of suffering and wanting to kill myself. The doctors were telling me I had high cholesterol (from what?) and needed to be put on statins and that I had to avoid eating the little meat I had. And anyway, it was probably stress related. After 2 years, I decided to do exactly the opposite of what the doctors told me and dropped first all the processed carbs (bread, pasta, pizza - pretty hard considering I love baking bread and pizza), then after not seeing much improvements I dropped vegetables and fruit and started eating just eggs, meat and dairy. All the symptoms disappeared in a week and I started losing weight. I eat very little calories (which is one of the best things for longevity), no hunger, my protein needs are met and I can still lift similar amount of weight. So, right now I'm on a carnivore diet, mainly for health reasons. From a moral point of view, I absolutely don't care, I would eat people if it were healthy (there are some deadly diseases you can get with cannibalism) and if other people wouldn't kill me (or eat me?) for it.
cdelsolar 4y ago
you're not eating mushrooms??
seibelj 4y ago
I tried the Beyond Meat ground beef substitute once to see if it would work in tacos. Stunk up my house with a weird smell, tasted off even with all the spices, and made us all feel a bit sick after. No wonder their stock is tanking. Humans are meant to eat real meat, we evolved this way.
- scrivna 4y ago
  Genuine question.. how did you go from “Personally I don’t like a thing” therefore “humans evolved to eat meat” Personally I don’t like peaches… does that mean humans evolved to eat meat? Honestly it sounds like you tried 1 product, didn’t like it and used that to reinforce a totally separate worldview that you already wanted to believe and reinforce. I don’t like beyond meat either, I agree it tastes funny, but personally that doesn’t make me feel like the only other alternative is to eat a cow.. I can just eat something else.
  - asdff 4y ago
    Of course we evolved to eat meat. Just look at your teeth.
  - seibelj 4y ago
    Meat is nutritionally superior to plants. Humans do not process cellulose easily. It takes far more plants to equal the nutritional content of meat. I tried Beyond Meat as an experiment but it tastes awful. Real meat is better.
    - scrivna 4y ago
      All of that can be true (I’m not saying it is) yet it still doesn’t matter. I am perfectly healthy guy who doesn’t eat meat and doesn’t need to.
  - jokethrowaway 4y ago
    On the topic: There is a good metabolic theory which hypothesise that our improved brain abilities come from adapting from a mostly vegetarian diet to a meat based fat rich diet. https://www.nasw.org/article/eating-meat-drove-evolution-our-big-powerful-brain https://www.nasw.org/article/eating-meat-drove-evolution-our...
standardUser 4y ago
Are you opting out of all future cultural and technological changes, or just these very specific ones?
- _yoqn 4y ago
  I'm opting out of sneaky ways to lower the standard of living for the population of the free world. Steak > Beyond Meat junk. Bacon > fungus. Chicken/Fish > crickets.
  - standardUser 4y ago
    Ok, gotcha, just some insecure MAGA crap.

by _yoqn 4y ago

I am not eating bugs, fungus and highly processed fake "meat" in the future. I will literally move to a rural farmland to get real food before I buy into this ridiculous movement.

djbusby 4y ago

Start shopping now!

_yoqn 4y ago
I watch a lot of survival/catch/clean/cook videos on youtube just in case.

smt88 4y ago

Who cares? You're a single person and no one is forcing you to eat bugs, fungi, or fake meat. These products are for the many millions of people who prefer an inexpensive alternative to meat.

jokethrowaway 4y ago
Oh, but they will. They've already started: https://thecountersignal.com/uk-school-children-to-be-fed-bugs/ https://thecountersignal.com/uk-school-children-to-be-fed-bu...
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  This is pretty off-topic, but reading more about Christopher Bear and the research group, the children aren't forced to eat it.
- AirborneUnicorn 4y ago
  For obvious reasons, I don’t think this is a reliable source for such a claim by any means.
  - _yoqn 4y ago
    It's not obvious. What do you mean?
- _yoqn 4y ago
  They will find out the truth soon enough. I'm glad some on HN still have some sense.
aerostable_slug 4y ago
> These products are for the many millions of people who prefer an inexpensive alternative to meat. Millions? Beyond Meat is tanking right now. Also, the substitutes are more expensive, not less, especially for products like pork.
- scrivna 4y ago
  Stock price is tanking, probably because they started a movement and now they have 100 competitors and own brand labels competing… there’s more choice than ever. “Price” is a premium because vegetarians will pay a premium for something by unique. Not because it costs more to make.
- smt88 4y ago
  There are more than a billion vegetarians worldwide. There are many millions even in non-Hindu countries.
youor 4y ago
_yoqn 4y ago
Totally not true. They are going to drive up the cost of real meat and other livestock in the name of "climate change" and force regular people to opt for cheaper sources of food such as algae proteins, fake "meat", cricket flour, etc. Why do you think Bill Gates has invested heavily in this field? He is a monopolist first and technologist after.
- smt88 4y ago
  > They are going to drive up the cost of real meat and other livestock How will they do this, exactly? Also, isn't the cost of real meat too low as it is? It hasn't priced in climate externalities that other people (including non-meat-eaters) have to pay for. Shouldn't meat include all of its costs, not just the ones paid by the farmers?
  - _yoqn 4y ago
    > How will they do this, exactly? Easy. Heavily regulate the farmers with climate regulations including carbon taxes. Or pass emissions laws like they have in the Netherlands which would force ranchers to downsize their herds. This would drive up cost to produce and scarcity of the product. As for the second part of your comment I truly am not sure what you're talking about? It seems like your sentiment confirms the first part of my answer.

kellyjprice 4y ago

Would you consider lobster or crab, bugs?

_yoqn 4y ago
Crustaceans aren't insects.

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jallen_dot_dev 4y ago

What about lab-grown meat?

oblak 4y ago
It's been more than e decade since the first cultured meat stake was served in London. If I have to wait for much longer, my body wouldn't even want it anymore
_yoqn 4y ago
Repulsive.

scrivna 4y ago

Mushrooms aren’t “real food”? Yes it’s processed with some additions, but so is a meat sausage. Talking more broadly, not about OP. It seems a lot of people have this cognitive dissonance (I don’t know what to call it exactly) about what food is, maybe from their upbringing or religious beliefs or just society. I’ve spoken to people that are like “I don’t like any vegetarian food”… and I’m like… so you don’t eat fries? (Oh uh I guess 90% of what I eat is already vegetarian… mmhmm) Then if you dare get on to the topic of animal protein people are EXTREMELY conflicted in their views… if you eat a cow why not eat a horse? why not eat a dog, why not eat a monkey… oh hang on this is getting a bit close to eating humans… hang on are animals real feeling thinking creatures that while tasty also have some other properties maybe I haven’t considered before? Hmm

scrivna 4y ago
Then they don’t want to continue this conversation because they don’t want to internalise what they’re feeling and REALLY actually think about their choices because if I think I might have to change, and then comes the very human feeling of “I don’t want to change” or “that’s not who I am” as if it’s bad to grow and change as a person.
- _yoqn 4y ago
  I have to say I don't want to continue the conversation because your reply is incomprehensible. This isn't about touchy feely internal reflection. All heavily marketed "trends" are predetermined to forward an ultimate agenda from the permanent elite class. Bill Gates doesn't want you eating beef and pork. He wants you eating his fake "meat" so they can shut down the livestock industry to save Mother Gaia from global warming. The AMA recommends against red meat because it's high in saturated fats. It's never been proven that saturated fats are the cause of atherosclerosis. Is this a conspiracy? Yes. But it's not a theory, the evidence is all around.
jokethrowaway 4y ago
> I’ve spoken to people that are like “I don’t like any vegetarian food”… and I’m like… so you don’t eat fries? (Oh uh I guess 90% of what I eat is already vegetarian… mmhmm) You can't (or shouldn't) live of fries. A complete vegetarian / vegan diet is not that enjoyable to eat, albeit all the processed vegetarian food make things way easier. I started brainwashing my parents at 16 with vegetarianism because I trusted the scienc struggled for 15 years to gain any muscle because vegetable based proteins are less bioavailable and eating a lot of proteins is hard. Got kidney stones because of the vegetarian protein shakes. After 15 years of eating a 95% low fat, high carb vegetarian diet (at least striving for it!) I started having serious health issues. Constant diarrhoea, stomach ulcers, anal bleeding. Took some meds to fix the symptoms and kind of live. 2 years of suffering and wanting to kill myself. The doctors were telling me I had high cholesterol (from what?) and needed to be put on statins and that I had to avoid eating the little meat I had. And anyway, it was probably stress related. After 2 years, I decided to do exactly the opposite of what the doctors told me and dropped first all the processed carbs (bread, pasta, pizza - pretty hard considering I love baking bread and pizza), then after not seeing much improvements I dropped vegetables and fruit and started eating just eggs, meat and dairy. All the symptoms disappeared in a week and I started losing weight. I eat very little calories (which is one of the best things for longevity), no hunger, my protein needs are met and I can still lift similar amount of weight. So, right now I'm on a carnivore diet, mainly for health reasons. From a moral point of view, I absolutely don't care, I would eat people if it were healthy (there are some deadly diseases you can get with cannibalism) and if other people wouldn't kill me (or eat me?) for it.

cdelsolar 4y ago

you're not eating mushrooms??

seibelj 4y ago

I tried the Beyond Meat ground beef substitute once to see if it would work in tacos. Stunk up my house with a weird smell, tasted off even with all the spices, and made us all feel a bit sick after. No wonder their stock is tanking. Humans are meant to eat real meat, we evolved this way.

scrivna 4y ago
Genuine question.. how did you go from “Personally I don’t like a thing” therefore “humans evolved to eat meat” Personally I don’t like peaches… does that mean humans evolved to eat meat? Honestly it sounds like you tried 1 product, didn’t like it and used that to reinforce a totally separate worldview that you already wanted to believe and reinforce. I don’t like beyond meat either, I agree it tastes funny, but personally that doesn’t make me feel like the only other alternative is to eat a cow.. I can just eat something else.
- asdff 4y ago
  Of course we evolved to eat meat. Just look at your teeth.
- seibelj 4y ago
  Meat is nutritionally superior to plants. Humans do not process cellulose easily. It takes far more plants to equal the nutritional content of meat. I tried Beyond Meat as an experiment but it tastes awful. Real meat is better.
  - scrivna 4y ago
    All of that can be true (I’m not saying it is) yet it still doesn’t matter. I am perfectly healthy guy who doesn’t eat meat and doesn’t need to.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  On the topic: There is a good metabolic theory which hypothesise that our improved brain abilities come from adapting from a mostly vegetarian diet to a meat based fat rich diet. https://www.nasw.org/article/eating-meat-drove-evolution-our-big-powerful-brain https://www.nasw.org/article/eating-meat-drove-evolution-our...

standardUser 4y ago

Are you opting out of all future cultural and technological changes, or just these very specific ones?

_yoqn 4y ago
I'm opting out of sneaky ways to lower the standard of living for the population of the free world. Steak > Beyond Meat junk. Bacon > fungus. Chicken/Fish > crickets.
- standardUser 4y ago
  Ok, gotcha, just some insecure MAGA crap.