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> This is frankly a ludicrous ask of a 35 dollar hobbyist single board education computer with an old CPU. Linux is being developed mostly by trillion-dollar c

> This is frankly a ludicrous ask of a 35 dollar hobbyist single board education computer with an old CPU. Linux is being developed mostly by trillion-dollar corporations. Intel. Google. Samsung. etc. ARM chips are designed and produced by Samsung, Qualcomm etc. You'd think they would: - come up with a competitive chip, and - Rosetta-like software that even "$35 dollar hobbyist computer" would be able to do this with, quote "powerful 64-bit CPU". Alas. And no, I'm not buying the whole "you shouldn't expect". Because, as it turns out, I can't expect this from any computer, be it hobbyist, educational, family, gamer, professional, or whatever adjectives you can put in front of it. Except Apple.

colejohnson66 4y ago
That $35 SBC is running a CPU that costs a comparatively lower amount to produce than an M1. Putting 20 billion transistors on a single die reliably at 5nm is extremely more costly than a billion or so at 28nm (the BCM2711). If you want Broadcom to release a CPU that's on par with the M1, half of your Pi's circuit board will be just the CPU die's BGA pins. Intel's (and others') price gouging and market segmentation does not in any way imply that it's possible to manufacture an i7/i9/R7/R9/M1 at $20 a piece.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  Everyone continues to willingly miss the point. Let me spell it out again. --- start quote --- Because, as it turns out, I can't expect this from any computer, be it hobbyist, educational, family, gamer, professional, or whatever adjectives you can put in front of it. Except Apple. --- end quote ---
barkingcat 4y ago
you know the pi is pretty amazing for what it is. the hdmi 1080p output alone was groundbreaking with the first pi The other side of the puzzle is software. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of headroom in the rpi hardware, if only someone re-write and re-optimize the os and software for it. That's part of the magic of Mac - they got to hire as many people to optimize the os as they did to build the chip / computer itself.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32571075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32571075

colejohnson66 4y ago

That $35 SBC is running a CPU that costs a comparatively lower amount to produce than an M1. Putting 20 billion transistors on a single die reliably at 5nm is extremely more costly than a billion or so at 28nm (the BCM2711). If you want Broadcom to release a CPU that's on par with the M1, half of your Pi's circuit board will be just the CPU die's BGA pins. Intel's (and others') price gouging and market segmentation does not in any way imply that it's possible to manufacture an i7/i9/R7/R9/M1 at $20 a piece.

dmitriid 4y ago
Everyone continues to willingly miss the point. Let me spell it out again. --- start quote --- Because, as it turns out, I can't expect this from any computer, be it hobbyist, educational, family, gamer, professional, or whatever adjectives you can put in front of it. Except Apple. --- end quote ---

barkingcat 4y ago

you know the pi is pretty amazing for what it is. the hdmi 1080p output alone was groundbreaking with the first pi The other side of the puzzle is software. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of headroom in the rpi hardware, if only someone re-write and re-optimize the os and software for it. That's part of the magic of Mac - they got to hire as many people to optimize the os as they did to build the chip / computer itself.

dmitriid 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32571075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32571075