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> I agree that M1/M2 Macs are good, but I implore everyone to not get sucked into and stuck into the Apple ecosystem. So much this. Every time I hear something

by tomxor 4y ago

> I agree that M1/M2 Macs are good, but I implore everyone to not get sucked into and stuck into the Apple ecosystem. So much this. Every time I hear something good about the M1/M2 it's interesting but it's like "aah, such a shame I can never use it without loosing my sanity due to all of the strings it has attached".

entropicdrifter 4y ago
I bought an M1 Mac Mini on sale earlier this year when Microcenter had them under $600, now it just runs Asahi Linux. Eventually I'm going to move all of my self-hosted server stuff over to it, minus Jellyfin and whatever else needs hardware transcoding capability.
- tomxor 4y ago
  I'm happy for you, and that would also be pragmatic for me being a Linux user, but my annoying idealistic conscience refuses to fund Apple's activities.
  - DrudgeCorporate 4y ago
    They're saying it was pretty much pointless to buy the Mac mini as they don't use it with Mac OS and the Apple ecosystem
    - tomxor 4y ago
      Hmm, i was reading it as the opposite, (that they found it useful specifically because they were able to avoid Mac OS and the Apple ecosystem). Context: There are some Linux users who want to use the hardware (so they can enjoy the M1/2 whatever) so there are efforts to get it running as a Linux machine (Asahi Linux), which would certainly keep me far more sane - but I still abhor giving money to Apple for the hardware (even 2nd hand which supports resale value and thus retail value)... I also don't trust that they wont simply pull the rug on such efforts in future by doing some kind of over the wire firmware update to brick those machines. Why do business with people who don't like you, it's just going to be a constant fight.
      - entropicdrifter 4y ago
        That is what I meant. The other person misread it. My point is that I got a far more efficient home server machine to run Linux on. The Mini as I have it sips power like my Raspberry Pis while having the computational grunt to be far more useful
    - entropicdrifter 4y ago
      That was not what I was saying at all. It's got a fantastic power to performance ratio without being locked into Apple's walled garden.
sillystuff 4y ago
If you just run Linux / *BSD on the hardware, what are the strings you are referring to? Every time an article comes up reminding me of how great the M1/M2 laptops are, I think about maybe getting a used one in a few years to run Debian on, but the soldered on SSD worries me (especially since early Apple software issues burned through erase cycles).
- tomxor 4y ago
  Running Linux or BSD would be the only possible way for me. But beyond this Apple are the strings for me, as I've mentioned in sibling responses I do not wish to fund the company in any way. 2nd hand unfortunately also funds them indirectly by supporting retail prices through resale value.

by tomxor 4y ago

entropicdrifter 4y ago

I bought an M1 Mac Mini on sale earlier this year when Microcenter had them under $600, now it just runs Asahi Linux. Eventually I'm going to move all of my self-hosted server stuff over to it, minus Jellyfin and whatever else needs hardware transcoding capability.

tomxor 4y ago
I'm happy for you, and that would also be pragmatic for me being a Linux user, but my annoying idealistic conscience refuses to fund Apple's activities.
- DrudgeCorporate 4y ago
  They're saying it was pretty much pointless to buy the Mac mini as they don't use it with Mac OS and the Apple ecosystem
  - tomxor 4y ago
    Hmm, i was reading it as the opposite, (that they found it useful specifically because they were able to avoid Mac OS and the Apple ecosystem). Context: There are some Linux users who want to use the hardware (so they can enjoy the M1/2 whatever) so there are efforts to get it running as a Linux machine (Asahi Linux), which would certainly keep me far more sane - but I still abhor giving money to Apple for the hardware (even 2nd hand which supports resale value and thus retail value)... I also don't trust that they wont simply pull the rug on such efforts in future by doing some kind of over the wire firmware update to brick those machines. Why do business with people who don't like you, it's just going to be a constant fight.
    - entropicdrifter 4y ago
      That is what I meant. The other person misread it. My point is that I got a far more efficient home server machine to run Linux on. The Mini as I have it sips power like my Raspberry Pis while having the computational grunt to be far more useful
  - entropicdrifter 4y ago
    That was not what I was saying at all. It's got a fantastic power to performance ratio without being locked into Apple's walled garden.

sillystuff 4y ago

If you just run Linux / *BSD on the hardware, what are the strings you are referring to? Every time an article comes up reminding me of how great the M1/M2 laptops are, I think about maybe getting a used one in a few years to run Debian on, but the soldered on SSD worries me (especially since early Apple software issues burned through erase cycles).

tomxor 4y ago
Running Linux or BSD would be the only possible way for me. But beyond this Apple are the strings for me, as I've mentioned in sibling responses I do not wish to fund the company in any way. 2nd hand unfortunately also funds them indirectly by supporting retail prices through resale value.