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> With the HTML5 offline application cache, all of the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript, will be cached locally, atomically stored and updated in MobileSafari's WebApp

> With the HTML5 offline application cache, all of the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript, will be cached locally, atomically stored and updated in MobileSafari's WebApp cache; you can therefore go to the website, even without any Internet access, and still get the site. If it is implemented well, you will also be able to browse previously downloaded news, which could be stored in HTML5 localStorage or Web SQL. Something nobody has yet to actually do. Sure, it CAN be done. But it's significantly easier to deliver those features with a native app over a web app. Web app developers refuse to ever admit or acknowledge this, but it's 100% true. Web apps just aren't there yet, and won't be any time soon. > So, no: I think you are drastically over-generalizing I don't think I am at all. I'm certainly generalizing, but not over or drastically so. You couldn't even provide a single example of a quality web app that fits your previous description. That pretty much says it all. > You may think you have had bad experiences with web applications, but frankly you probably have only ever used one or two (maybe even zero) HTML5 offline applications (they are fairly rare. Of course. I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm wrong, and my experiences are invalid for x reason. Responses like this drive me crazy. It's borderline "no true scotsman" IMO. Oh sure, those high profile web apps suck, but those aren't REAL web apps. The bottom line is even the best web apps still have to utilize the newest technology and options to deliver basic, basic stuff that even crappy native apps have had forever, and they still can't reach the quality of a native app. I'm also completely unconvinced that your browser's rendering engine speed will be able to provide as good an experience as a native app. The ONLY real advantages to web apps frankly are for the developer. It makes cross platform development & deployment much easier, and they don't have to pay Apple the 30%. It's worse for the user/consumer in almost every way.

saurik 15y ago
I took each of your points, and either ceded them (audio applications) or provided a specific technology that could cover them nicely (HTML5 offline storage, Web SQL, and cache manifests), all of which are easily found in the specifications using Google, if you don't believe they exist. Your response, which actively ignores all of that (and in fact snips it out of the reply text), is pretty much "I haven't seen it used, so it isn't true"; the only (unrelated) argument you added was "rendering speed" (as if a news reader was limited by that? citation?). In juxtaposition, I must say you have a convincing argument: it had not even occurred to me that these technologies I and my coworkers use everyday might not actually do these things that they seem to do; certainly not the things the code for them (which is open source) seems to look like it does. So yeah: I'm sorry. In the future, I will avoid making arguments that respond to points, and instead I'll just say "worked for me: you're not a true scotsman", as apparently that's all that you are capable of seeing in my text anyway.

saurik 15y ago

I took each of your points, and either ceded them (audio applications) or provided a specific technology that could cover them nicely (HTML5 offline storage, Web SQL, and cache manifests), all of which are easily found in the specifications using Google, if you don't believe they exist. Your response, which actively ignores all of that (and in fact snips it out of the reply text), is pretty much "I haven't seen it used, so it isn't true"; the only (unrelated) argument you added was "rendering speed" (as if a news reader was limited by that? citation?). In juxtaposition, I must say you have a convincing argument: it had not even occurred to me that these technologies I and my coworkers use everyday might not actually do these things that they seem to do; certainly not the things the code for them (which is open source) seems to look like it does. So yeah: I'm sorry. In the future, I will avoid making arguments that respond to points, and instead I'll just say "worked for me: you're not a true scotsman", as apparently that's all that you are capable of seeing in my text anyway.