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Do you know if there /are/ any studies done with smaller mammals, out of curiosity? My worry is always that we're poisoning our dogs/cats, where a toxic amount

Do you know if there /are/ any studies done with smaller mammals, out of curiosity? My worry is always that we're poisoning our dogs/cats, where a toxic amount I imagine is much smaller

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
You’re worried about dogs and not children or adults?
- serf 4y ago
  you're worried about children and adults and not our global society, war abroad, disease, destitution, and human suffering? see what I did there? I presumed you didn't care about anything not explicitly mentioned -- was I accurate? I bet not. humans tend to (generally) wait until the produce is washed and on a dinner plate before they try licking it -- animals (and certainly some humans, too) may not. The specific worry may be towards the danger of the high volumes of raw chemical on the plant itself rather than the underlying danger of treating a plant with that chemical before preparation and wash.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    > wait until the produce is washed It is my understanding that the produce assimilates the chemical internally
nemo44x 4y ago
You want to wait for it to dry before letting animals and people in the area you have applied Roundup.
- slimsag 4y ago
  Of course, but it's still there after drying. dogs/cats sniff the ground, lay on it, eat bugs that have interacted with it, etc. (hopefully not for all of these, but I am sure they do)
  - cma 4y ago
    Some things completely change character after drying. Permethrin will kill cats while wet (like just after applying topically to a dog), but they wont absorb enough of it dry. And it doesn't really re-wet by just adding water (permethrin for hiking stays on clothes through 30 washes or something). I'm not sure if it chemically changes or if it starts out in some kind of emulsion or something that can't be recreated by just rewetting with water.
    - slimsag 4y ago
      That's really interesting, I didn't know that. Makes me wonder how many herbicides / insecticides are like this for sure

Do you know if there /are/ any studies done with smaller mammals, out of curiosity? My worry is always that we're poisoning our dogs/cats, where a toxic amount I imagine is much smaller

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

You’re worried about dogs and not children or adults?

serf 4y ago
you're worried about children and adults and not our global society, war abroad, disease, destitution, and human suffering? see what I did there? I presumed you didn't care about anything not explicitly mentioned -- was I accurate? I bet not. humans tend to (generally) wait until the produce is washed and on a dinner plate before they try licking it -- animals (and certainly some humans, too) may not. The specific worry may be towards the danger of the high volumes of raw chemical on the plant itself rather than the underlying danger of treating a plant with that chemical before preparation and wash.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  > wait until the produce is washed It is my understanding that the produce assimilates the chemical internally

nemo44x 4y ago

You want to wait for it to dry before letting animals and people in the area you have applied Roundup.

slimsag 4y ago
Of course, but it's still there after drying. dogs/cats sniff the ground, lay on it, eat bugs that have interacted with it, etc. (hopefully not for all of these, but I am sure they do)
- cma 4y ago
  Some things completely change character after drying. Permethrin will kill cats while wet (like just after applying topically to a dog), but they wont absorb enough of it dry. And it doesn't really re-wet by just adding water (permethrin for hiking stays on clothes through 30 washes or something). I'm not sure if it chemically changes or if it starts out in some kind of emulsion or something that can't be recreated by just rewetting with water.
  - slimsag 4y ago
    That's really interesting, I didn't know that. Makes me wonder how many herbicides / insecticides are like this for sure