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When their system flagged it as CP and their people reviewed it, how is that not a crime? In their state of mind they knew it was CP and they are not law enfor

by _8j50 4y ago

When their system flagged it as CP and their people reviewed it, how is that not a crime? In their state of mind they knew it was CP and they are not law enforcement or government lawyers. Civilians at the behest of google watched CP amd there was no prosecution! Isn't that another big story here? I absolutley think CSAM as an idea is a good thing so long as any fault in the algorithms are taken into account and it is law enforcement that does the investigation begining to end. Google has the right to refuse service, but not with cause. They slandered a person and cancelled service before the persons had time to migrate causing considerable material damage. How much monetary value do you place on sentimental pictures or email messages? If money is an issue let us donate to the legal funds of these people but they should absolutley sue the crap out of google. I don't know if there is a civil cause for action in any CP related law but if google employees who are not law enfrocement or authorized medical professionals saw the private pictures of my child I would be raising hell in form of lawsuits and in every avenue where I can make this known including election campaigns against the DA that didn't prosecute google employees and execs for intentional viewing of CP. You don't like CSAM as a concept? Ok, I get the arguments against it but laws are too humane against child predators. Until castrations , public executions and death by torture are on the books (prevention) then CSAM like approach is a must (detection). Refusing to take a strong stance on prevention and on detection is enabling the real predators.

account-5 4y ago
Are you suggesting law enforcement personnel should be embedded in Google to do the confirmation of CSAM? Someone has to confirm CSAM and report to the police. Or would you rather an auto-report directly to the police from the algorithm that flagged it with no human oversight?
- _8j50 4y ago
  Auto report to police when there is algorithmic match then the police do their own vetting and decide to open an investigation,prosecute,etc... no punitive action by google until the police decide to prosecute. Google employess looking at cp is a crime since they are not legally authorized or perimitted by the parents to look at the pictures in any capacity. LE/gov also has no authority to delegate this task to undeputized civilians.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
This is not a constructive approach to fight child abuse. Such scanning is just a pretense for the state to be able to access private communications and it needs to be stopped right in its infancy. States accessing too much information has been a large detriment on society as it is and those responsible need to be deprived of office and responsibility. Child abuse needs the help of people invested in children to detect instances of abuse. Internet surveillance can only do so much. The best approach is to delete any content immediately to not let it spread. This is done pretty much anywhere, you won't even need legislation. Perhaps connection info might help authorities, but I guess most perpetrators will take that into consideration as well.
- _8j50 4y ago
  Then get proper inhumane punishment as a deterrent? You cannot have tech that enables harmful content and refuse to all measures to deter harmful content. What people invested in children? Some guy in the backwoods of nowhere takes abusive pictures who will know other than tech companies? Delete the content so it doesn't spread in the mean time the child gets no help? Is that your answer? I don't want them to spy on our private content, in every scenario other than this one I agree with you 100% i am very much against government and corporate surveillance and support e2e but, mine and your right to privacy does not supersede the rights of the most innocent and defenseless members of society to be safe and protected from harm. You want to keep privacy then join me in supporting inhumane punishment for child predators. The deterrent aspect of unthinkably horrible punishment is enough to say there is no need for drastic measures like spying on everyone's pictures. You can't have it both ways.

by _8j50 4y ago

account-5 4y ago

Are you suggesting law enforcement personnel should be embedded in Google to do the confirmation of CSAM? Someone has to confirm CSAM and report to the police. Or would you rather an auto-report directly to the police from the algorithm that flagged it with no human oversight?

_8j50 4y ago
Auto report to police when there is algorithmic match then the police do their own vetting and decide to open an investigation,prosecute,etc... no punitive action by google until the police decide to prosecute. Google employess looking at cp is a crime since they are not legally authorized or perimitted by the parents to look at the pictures in any capacity. LE/gov also has no authority to delegate this task to undeputized civilians.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

This is not a constructive approach to fight child abuse. Such scanning is just a pretense for the state to be able to access private communications and it needs to be stopped right in its infancy. States accessing too much information has been a large detriment on society as it is and those responsible need to be deprived of office and responsibility. Child abuse needs the help of people invested in children to detect instances of abuse. Internet surveillance can only do so much. The best approach is to delete any content immediately to not let it spread. This is done pretty much anywhere, you won't even need legislation. Perhaps connection info might help authorities, but I guess most perpetrators will take that into consideration as well.

_8j50 4y ago
Then get proper inhumane punishment as a deterrent? You cannot have tech that enables harmful content and refuse to all measures to deter harmful content. What people invested in children? Some guy in the backwoods of nowhere takes abusive pictures who will know other than tech companies? Delete the content so it doesn't spread in the mean time the child gets no help? Is that your answer? I don't want them to spy on our private content, in every scenario other than this one I agree with you 100% i am very much against government and corporate surveillance and support e2e but, mine and your right to privacy does not supersede the rights of the most innocent and defenseless members of society to be safe and protected from harm. You want to keep privacy then join me in supporting inhumane punishment for child predators. The deterrent aspect of unthinkably horrible punishment is enough to say there is no need for drastic measures like spying on everyone's pictures. You can't have it both ways.