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> like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy What are you talking about? The german speaking world cares (maybe a bit

> like Germany, with all due respect to the Germans who still care about their privacy What are you talking about? The german speaking world cares (maybe a bit too much) about privacy. This is why google street view sucks in Germany. NOYB - European Center for Digital Rights is headquartered in Vienna.

flipbrad 4y ago
Vienna is in Austria, not Germany
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- aivisol 4y ago
  Austria is considered a part of german speaking world
  - seper8 4y ago
    Yes, but its not in Germany.
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- easytiger 4y ago
  On that point Austrian privacy laws are insane. CCTV is a nightmare to set up there. https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austrian-fine-cctv-coverage-summary_en https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...
  - flipbrad 4y ago
    So is data loss prevention or other forms of workplace monitoring
  - estebank 4y ago
    > The infringements refer to the following: the video surveillance system covers public streets as well as parking lots, both part of the public area in front of the entrance of the sports betting café. This is not adequate for the purposes of the processing and is not limited to a necessary extent. There are no logs of video surveillance processing operations. There is no deletion of the personal image data recorded by the video surveillance within 72 hours and no separate logs for processing in this regard and a justification for an extended storage period is missing (as determined in the Austrian Data Protection Act). In Addition to that, the filmed area does not have adequate signage about CCTV. Why are those laws insane?
    - easytiger 4y ago
      You set up a camera to cover your front garden and if you happen to cover a portion of the street leading up to your property you are breaking the law. That's genuinely absurd. Keep in mind these apply to residential systems also. The rest of your quote is just as ridiculous. > There are no logs of video surveillance processing operations. It's a private system, why should there be. > There is no deletion of the personal image data recorded by the video surveillance within 72 hours Genuinely insane
      - em-bee 4y ago
        if you happen to cover a portion of the street leading up to your property you are breaking the law in germany too. why is that absurd? you can monitor your own property, but don't record me when i am walking along the street please.
        easytiger 4y ago
        don't go to pretty much any other country on planet earth then
        ars 4y ago
        Recording the street is the most important part of recording for crime detection. If someone knocks off the side mirror of my car by driving too close, I shouldn't be able to record that? I shouldn't be able to capture the license plate so I know who it is? You do get that you are publicly visible when walking down the street, right? People are visible in their gardens too, but I can at least understand making it illegal to record other private property, but the pubic street is reading it too far.
unknownaccount 4y ago
Germany has many anti-privacy laws like the Impressum system which forces website owners to essentially dox themselves on a public webpage. I’m not sure where the misconception that Germany had strong privacy laws came from.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  I've long believed this, but surprisingly, very few Germans I've spoken to feel this way about it, admittedly my sample is Berlin-centric, so perhaps that isn't a very good litmus test for general German sentiment considering the demographics of Berlin consist of a lot of non-Germans who likely aren't that clued-up, and that perhaps skews sentiment as a whole.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Big cities are always a lot more progressive. But a christian-conservative like Merkel wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the more rural masses. They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that are the most susceptible to 'for the children!!!' type privacy invasion. At least in my experience here in the Netherlands, this is usually the angle those measures are pushed from. I've also been surprised at how bad Germany is for privacy. For example when I tried to sign up at Hetzner they demanded that I sent a photocopy of my ID. When I did so after arguing, I blacked out my social security number which is very susceptible to ID fraud and even the local police provide instructions to block it out on scans. However they refused that. So I refused them. I didn't try other German providers but went to France instead (Scaleway) and had a much better experience without ID crap.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      That's very interesting re Hetzner. When I signed up Hetzner about two weeks ago, I wasn't asked for any kind of ID, in fact I was quite surprised how little friction there was. Experience hasn't been good though, so you haven't missed out on much. Downtime and connectivity issues have meant hours of time wasted on an issue that wasn't even at our end. Will check out Scaleway!
freeflight 4y ago
> This is why google street view sucks in Germany. Street view in Germany sucks because very rarely there will be a pixelated building front?
- pronik 4y ago
  No, because GSV is at least a decade old in Germany, since the whole "pixelate my building" has understandably been too much of a hassle for Google to push any picture updates.
- yccs27 4y ago
  Street view in Germany sucks because Google didn't want to deal with so many pixelation requests, so they drastically reduced the coverage.
  - rostigerpudel 4y ago
    Those requests would neither have been possible nor come in by such numbers if Germans were not privacy-aware.
    - ekianjo 4y ago
      your house on the street is public landscape. privacy does not apply on what you see from the road.
      - em-bee 4y ago
        without streetview or photos on a public website, only people who are actually passing by my house can see it. otherwise it is visible to the whole world. that is a drastic difference for a privacy conscious person. or consider for example me posting a picture of my house without giving any address. there is nothing identifying except the building. with streetview you could potentially find my address. why should you be able to do that? sure, streetview is nice to use, but i think privacy concerns are real.
      - jjav 4y ago

flipbrad 4y ago

Vienna is in Austria, not Germany

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aivisol 4y ago
Austria is considered a part of german speaking world
- seper8 4y ago
  Yes, but its not in Germany.
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easytiger 4y ago
On that point Austrian privacy laws are insane. CCTV is a nightmare to set up there. https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austrian-fine-cctv-coverage-summary_en https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...
- flipbrad 4y ago
  So is data loss prevention or other forms of workplace monitoring
- estebank 4y ago
  > The infringements refer to the following: the video surveillance system covers public streets as well as parking lots, both part of the public area in front of the entrance of the sports betting café. This is not adequate for the purposes of the processing and is not limited to a necessary extent. There are no logs of video surveillance processing operations. There is no deletion of the personal image data recorded by the video surveillance within 72 hours and no separate logs for processing in this regard and a justification for an extended storage period is missing (as determined in the Austrian Data Protection Act). In Addition to that, the filmed area does not have adequate signage about CCTV. Why are those laws insane?
  - easytiger 4y ago
    You set up a camera to cover your front garden and if you happen to cover a portion of the street leading up to your property you are breaking the law. That's genuinely absurd. Keep in mind these apply to residential systems also. The rest of your quote is just as ridiculous. > There are no logs of video surveillance processing operations. It's a private system, why should there be. > There is no deletion of the personal image data recorded by the video surveillance within 72 hours Genuinely insane
    - em-bee 4y ago
      if you happen to cover a portion of the street leading up to your property you are breaking the law in germany too. why is that absurd? you can monitor your own property, but don't record me when i am walking along the street please.
      - easytiger 4y ago
        don't go to pretty much any other country on planet earth then
      - ars 4y ago
        Recording the street is the most important part of recording for crime detection. If someone knocks off the side mirror of my car by driving too close, I shouldn't be able to record that? I shouldn't be able to capture the license plate so I know who it is? You do get that you are publicly visible when walking down the street, right? People are visible in their gardens too, but I can at least understand making it illegal to record other private property, but the pubic street is reading it too far.

unknownaccount 4y ago

Germany has many anti-privacy laws like the Impressum system which forces website owners to essentially dox themselves on a public webpage. I’m not sure where the misconception that Germany had strong privacy laws came from.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
I've long believed this, but surprisingly, very few Germans I've spoken to feel this way about it, admittedly my sample is Berlin-centric, so perhaps that isn't a very good litmus test for general German sentiment considering the demographics of Berlin consist of a lot of non-Germans who likely aren't that clued-up, and that perhaps skews sentiment as a whole.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Big cities are always a lot more progressive. But a christian-conservative like Merkel wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the more rural masses. They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that are the most susceptible to 'for the children!!!' type privacy invasion. At least in my experience here in the Netherlands, this is usually the angle those measures are pushed from. I've also been surprised at how bad Germany is for privacy. For example when I tried to sign up at Hetzner they demanded that I sent a photocopy of my ID. When I did so after arguing, I blacked out my social security number which is very susceptible to ID fraud and even the local police provide instructions to block it out on scans. However they refused that. So I refused them. I didn't try other German providers but went to France instead (Scaleway) and had a much better experience without ID crap.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    That's very interesting re Hetzner. When I signed up Hetzner about two weeks ago, I wasn't asked for any kind of ID, in fact I was quite surprised how little friction there was. Experience hasn't been good though, so you haven't missed out on much. Downtime and connectivity issues have meant hours of time wasted on an issue that wasn't even at our end. Will check out Scaleway!

freeflight 4y ago

> This is why google street view sucks in Germany. Street view in Germany sucks because very rarely there will be a pixelated building front?

pronik 4y ago
No, because GSV is at least a decade old in Germany, since the whole "pixelate my building" has understandably been too much of a hassle for Google to push any picture updates.
yccs27 4y ago
Street view in Germany sucks because Google didn't want to deal with so many pixelation requests, so they drastically reduced the coverage.
- rostigerpudel 4y ago
  Those requests would neither have been possible nor come in by such numbers if Germans were not privacy-aware.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    your house on the street is public landscape. privacy does not apply on what you see from the road.
    - em-bee 4y ago
      without streetview or photos on a public website, only people who are actually passing by my house can see it. otherwise it is visible to the whole world. that is a drastic difference for a privacy conscious person. or consider for example me posting a picture of my house without giving any address. there is nothing identifying except the building. with streetview you could potentially find my address. why should you be able to do that? sure, streetview is nice to use, but i think privacy concerns are real.
    - jjav 4y ago