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Yeah but how do you create engagement without addictive algos?

by theplumber 4y ago

boppo1 4y ago
Host stuff people want but can't get anywhere else.
- theplumber 4y ago
  People don't know what they "want". I'm pretty sure people are not actively searching for influencers...they are "recommended"/shoved on their screen.
  - _chu1 4y ago
    Kind of like how I think about things like TikTok in general, nobody would actually pay for that, they just use it because it's free.
gizajob 4y ago
He'll need to work that out for himself too, given those expensive algos have also been provided free of charge.
eimrine 4y ago
By allowing all kinds of nastiness? I would pay for that service a lot, just let me to watch anything with no censorship and copyright issues and from any country.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  That's a good point, why don't Russia/NK/Iran/etc allow people to cheaply watch content owned by companies based in unfriendly (i.e. USA) countries?
  - eimrine 4y ago
    I think "cheaply" word is kind of extra in your question. Of course they do this for more convinceable lying to all their population. Of course any civilized country should block that kind of super-nasty resource, with jailing all their creators if possible.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      I'm not actually sure what site you're referring to but I think you missed the point I was making. The comment I was originally replying to was saying they'd pay for a service that had no censorship so ideally such a service would charge so "cheaply" is kind of a requirement in my question as there needs to be a cost. Of course, taking content down for "copyright infringement" is a form of censorship (one often require by law but censorship nonetheless).
  - jstarfish 4y ago
    Already been done (Russia did just that with allofmp3.com back in the 2000s). It invited a lot of WTO drama until the site was sued out of existence.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      > In August 2007, Denis Kvasov, head of the company which owned AllofMP3.com, was acquitted of all charges stemming from copyright infringement prosecution I've never heard of allofmp3.com [1] but it doesn't sound like it was sued out of existence as all of the Russia court cases went in favor of their citizens (what a surprise!). Instead anybody outside of Russia was successfully prosecuted or payment processors "illegally"[2] stopped working with them. I guess if Russia actually withdrawals from the WTO [3] we might see a return of allofmp3.com then. Although you probably have to buy using some form of cryptocurrency. Probably won't be that hard to convince people to use bitcoin atms to watch the Avengers for 2$. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3 [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20070823070406/http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2007%2F07%2F13%2F258719 https://web.archive.org/web/20070823070406/http://eng.cnews.... [3]: https://www.iisd.org/articles/news/russia-plans-exit-world-trade-organization#:~:text=Russia's%20plans%20to%20quit%20the,June%206%2C%202022 https://www.iisd.org/articles/news/russia-plans-exit-world-t...
weezin 4y ago
I imagine this can be manipulated by other accounts to drive traffic. He can say something controversial and then it goes viral on the big platforms. Then he could have a watermark of his website on the clip so people know where to go to see him.

Yeah but how do you create engagement without addictive algos?

boppo1 4y ago

Host stuff people want but can't get anywhere else.

theplumber 4y ago
People don't know what they "want". I'm pretty sure people are not actively searching for influencers...they are "recommended"/shoved on their screen.
- _chu1 4y ago
  Kind of like how I think about things like TikTok in general, nobody would actually pay for that, they just use it because it's free.

gizajob 4y ago

He'll need to work that out for himself too, given those expensive algos have also been provided free of charge.

eimrine 4y ago

By allowing all kinds of nastiness? I would pay for that service a lot, just let me to watch anything with no censorship and copyright issues and from any country.

lesuorac 4y ago
That's a good point, why don't Russia/NK/Iran/etc allow people to cheaply watch content owned by companies based in unfriendly (i.e. USA) countries?
- eimrine 4y ago
  I think "cheaply" word is kind of extra in your question. Of course they do this for more convinceable lying to all their population. Of course any civilized country should block that kind of super-nasty resource, with jailing all their creators if possible.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    I'm not actually sure what site you're referring to but I think you missed the point I was making. The comment I was originally replying to was saying they'd pay for a service that had no censorship so ideally such a service would charge so "cheaply" is kind of a requirement in my question as there needs to be a cost. Of course, taking content down for "copyright infringement" is a form of censorship (one often require by law but censorship nonetheless).
- jstarfish 4y ago
  Already been done (Russia did just that with allofmp3.com back in the 2000s). It invited a lot of WTO drama until the site was sued out of existence.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    > In August 2007, Denis Kvasov, head of the company which owned AllofMP3.com, was acquitted of all charges stemming from copyright infringement prosecution I've never heard of allofmp3.com [1] but it doesn't sound like it was sued out of existence as all of the Russia court cases went in favor of their citizens (what a surprise!). Instead anybody outside of Russia was successfully prosecuted or payment processors "illegally"[2] stopped working with them. I guess if Russia actually withdrawals from the WTO [3] we might see a return of allofmp3.com then. Although you probably have to buy using some form of cryptocurrency. Probably won't be that hard to convince people to use bitcoin atms to watch the Avengers for 2$. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3 [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20070823070406/http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2007%2F07%2F13%2F258719 https://web.archive.org/web/20070823070406/http://eng.cnews.... [3]: https://www.iisd.org/articles/news/russia-plans-exit-world-trade-organization#:~:text=Russia's%20plans%20to%20quit%20the,June%206%2C%202022 https://www.iisd.org/articles/news/russia-plans-exit-world-t...

weezin 4y ago

I imagine this can be manipulated by other accounts to drive traffic. He can say something controversial and then it goes viral on the big platforms. Then he could have a watermark of his website on the clip so people know where to go to see him.