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What evidence do you have to support this? Everything I can see suggests that they sincerely believe this will help protect children.

Spivak 4y ago
Especially because in the US we already do this and the sky hasn’t fallen. Storage providers and hosting services already scan for it and popular chat apps block sending matching images client side. Like everyone saying this is the spiral to dystopia has to contend with the fact that we’re already apparently living in one.
- WillPostForFood 4y ago
  The alarm here is because the EU is proposing mandating it, that’s not happened yet in the US.
- qubex 4y ago
  The sky hasn’t fallen?? Have you read https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil... ?
  - donkeyd 4y ago
    Not the first of such stories either: https://borncity.com/win/2020/08/16/microsoft-kontensperrungen-und-die-onedrive-nacktfotos/ https://borncity.com/win/2020/08/16/microsoft-kontensperrung... This is why I explicitly make on-site backups of anything that's in the cloud and don't store my passwords with Apple. If they suddenly decided I had CSAM for some reason, I'd be locked out of everything.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Google found an image of potential cp, literally a naked child, and forwarded it to the authorities to figure out if it was legit. Other than the person having their Google account suspended which is a separate issue from the surveillance I see zero issue with the events as they happened. In a bygone era where you had to get photos developed I would have expected the 1 hour photo employee to do the same.
    - qubex 4y ago
      That’s a totally alien idea to me. I grew up in a very nudity-friendly family in Europe and the idea that something as trivial as a naked photograph could occasion such a quasi-disaster is absolutely horrifying.
    - kurupt213 4y ago
      A photo of a naked child isn’t automatically CP
      - Spivak 4y ago
        Which is was forwarded to the police for them to make that determination, do you want the alternative where Google decides?
- thfuran 4y ago
  A lot of Europeans would consider the US fairly dystopian, yes.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  What? The US doesn't do this. What's the law that mandates scanning chat messages?
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    I think the US does it without the law. They’re proactive like that
dangerface 4y ago
What evidence is there that spying on the public will reduce child molestation? When you consider that the majority of perpetrators are family members how would spying on the publics chat help detect or prevent that? I don't think there are many child molesters boasting about it tbh. Would such a law prevent child molestation or prevent molesters from talking about it? There is no evidence and little reason to believe this will protect children. Before infringing on innocent peoples privacy there must be some evidence that it will actually help protect children. There is no evidence to support this nor calls to study the efficacy idea. Makes me think protecting children is not the intention of their spying.
wsc981 4y ago
The way the EU Commission handled whistleblower Roelie Post regarding child trafficking makes me think the safety of children is not the highest priority of the EU Commission. Even today she lives in fear and under a lot of pressure as can be seen on her Twitter account. Basically the EU Commission punished her for being a whistleblower. http://www.roeliepost.com/ http://www.roeliepost.com/ https://www-vpro-nl.translate.goog/argos/lees/nieuws/2019/Geen-hulp-voor-klokkenluider-Roelie-Post.html?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-vpro-nl.translate.goog/argos/lees/nieuws/2019/Ge...

Spivak 4y ago

Especially because in the US we already do this and the sky hasn’t fallen. Storage providers and hosting services already scan for it and popular chat apps block sending matching images client side. Like everyone saying this is the spiral to dystopia has to contend with the fact that we’re already apparently living in one.

WillPostForFood 4y ago
The alarm here is because the EU is proposing mandating it, that’s not happened yet in the US.
qubex 4y ago
The sky hasn’t fallen?? Have you read https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveil... ?
- donkeyd 4y ago
  Not the first of such stories either: https://borncity.com/win/2020/08/16/microsoft-kontensperrungen-und-die-onedrive-nacktfotos/ https://borncity.com/win/2020/08/16/microsoft-kontensperrung... This is why I explicitly make on-site backups of anything that's in the cloud and don't store my passwords with Apple. If they suddenly decided I had CSAM for some reason, I'd be locked out of everything.
- Spivak 4y ago
  Google found an image of potential cp, literally a naked child, and forwarded it to the authorities to figure out if it was legit. Other than the person having their Google account suspended which is a separate issue from the surveillance I see zero issue with the events as they happened. In a bygone era where you had to get photos developed I would have expected the 1 hour photo employee to do the same.
  - qubex 4y ago
    That’s a totally alien idea to me. I grew up in a very nudity-friendly family in Europe and the idea that something as trivial as a naked photograph could occasion such a quasi-disaster is absolutely horrifying.
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    A photo of a naked child isn’t automatically CP
    - Spivak 4y ago
      Which is was forwarded to the police for them to make that determination, do you want the alternative where Google decides?
thfuran 4y ago
A lot of Europeans would consider the US fairly dystopian, yes.
mardifoufs 4y ago
What? The US doesn't do this. What's the law that mandates scanning chat messages?
- kurupt213 4y ago
  I think the US does it without the law. They’re proactive like that

dangerface 4y ago

What evidence is there that spying on the public will reduce child molestation? When you consider that the majority of perpetrators are family members how would spying on the publics chat help detect or prevent that? I don't think there are many child molesters boasting about it tbh. Would such a law prevent child molestation or prevent molesters from talking about it? There is no evidence and little reason to believe this will protect children. Before infringing on innocent peoples privacy there must be some evidence that it will actually help protect children. There is no evidence to support this nor calls to study the efficacy idea. Makes me think protecting children is not the intention of their spying.

wsc981 4y ago

The way the EU Commission handled whistleblower Roelie Post regarding child trafficking makes me think the safety of children is not the highest priority of the EU Commission. Even today she lives in fear and under a lot of pressure as can be seen on her Twitter account. Basically the EU Commission punished her for being a whistleblower. http://www.roeliepost.com/ http://www.roeliepost.com/ https://www-vpro-nl.translate.goog/argos/lees/nieuws/2019/Geen-hulp-voor-klokkenluider-Roelie-Post.html?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-vpro-nl.translate.goog/argos/lees/nieuws/2019/Ge...