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But to your point, workers do not “have to accept that.” To me this is very simple. If the company wants them in office, they can leave. If enough talented peo

But to your point, workers do not “have to accept that.” To me this is very simple. If the company wants them in office, they can leave. If enough talented people leave then the company will suffer. I as an employee do not feel that I should change my employer’s policy, which they’ve had for 40 years, simply because I feel it should be a certain way. I cannot fathom that level of entitlement. It just doesn’t register in my brain.

Apocryphon 4y ago
> If the company wants them in office, they can leave. If enough talented people leave then the company will suffer. Before people leave, they could at least try to see if management is flexible. Perhaps they like working there and care about the product and the customers and don’t want to leave right away. Perhaps they feel like a case can be made. If you are passed over for a promotion or the company withholds your bonus or you feel wronged otherwise, you don’t immediately leave your company, do you? Likewise, you may try to work with management or HR to see if what you want is achievable first, before leaving. > I as an employee do not feel that I should change my employer’s policy, which they’ve had for 40 years, simply because I feel it should be a certain way. The ability to conduct remote work was not present for forty years, and was not tested until the pandemic. Now that it has been tried, the change back seems negotiable, especially if the company’s bottom line did not suffer during the period of remote work. Why so much respect for policy that is itself malleable in the hands of management? What if you had personal needs, a young child, a sick parent, and you had to take time away from the office to care for them, would you not ask for an exception? People do and are granted them all of the time. So this is just an example of people asking for that exception collectively, and to them it seems reasonable, because again, the company has literally just applied that policy for the past two years and the bottom line is stronger than ever. > I cannot fathom that level of entitlement. It just doesn’t register in my brain. Well, with that sort of mindset we would never have had the eight hour working day, or weekends, so to each their own.

Apocryphon 4y ago

> If the company wants them in office, they can leave. If enough talented people leave then the company will suffer. Before people leave, they could at least try to see if management is flexible. Perhaps they like working there and care about the product and the customers and don’t want to leave right away. Perhaps they feel like a case can be made. If you are passed over for a promotion or the company withholds your bonus or you feel wronged otherwise, you don’t immediately leave your company, do you? Likewise, you may try to work with management or HR to see if what you want is achievable first, before leaving. > I as an employee do not feel that I should change my employer’s policy, which they’ve had for 40 years, simply because I feel it should be a certain way. The ability to conduct remote work was not present for forty years, and was not tested until the pandemic. Now that it has been tried, the change back seems negotiable, especially if the company’s bottom line did not suffer during the period of remote work. Why so much respect for policy that is itself malleable in the hands of management? What if you had personal needs, a young child, a sick parent, and you had to take time away from the office to care for them, would you not ask for an exception? People do and are granted them all of the time. So this is just an example of people asking for that exception collectively, and to them it seems reasonable, because again, the company has literally just applied that policy for the past two years and the bottom line is stronger than ever. > I cannot fathom that level of entitlement. It just doesn’t register in my brain. Well, with that sort of mindset we would never have had the eight hour working day, or weekends, so to each their own.