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> Kato has 4000 followers on twitter https://twitter.com/TrofimovaKato https://twitter.com/TrofimovaKato > Jose has 2300 on twitter https://twitter.com/josegasp

> Kato has 4000 followers on twitter https://twitter.com/TrofimovaKato https://twitter.com/TrofimovaKato > Jose has 2300 on twitter https://twitter.com/josegasparian https://twitter.com/josegasparian Still very, very small potatoes > It's a art market, even if you don't want to see it. I just took two random artists out of a hat that I like. No, it's not. It's an art market used as a proxy for something else. I like art. I get reselling it. But when you buy a bunch of stuff and immediately put it back for sale for a few bucks more, that's not art appreciation. In the best case it's arbitrage, in the worst case it's something more sinister. > You're also of course conveniently ignoring DeeKay because he doesn't fit your pattern - he just had a piece recently sell for 1$ million. It's very much an outlier yes, so probably something very different. I don't really buy that this piece makes somebody feel anything worth paying $1M for. Come on, we've been doing this theme for ages. Here's an ad based on that concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brsI6z13Su8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brsI6z13Su8 -- it's from 2002. If somebody has $1M to spend on a single picture, why would they? They could hire a dozen artists for a year. Have them safely work on some sort of masterpieces, or have them at the patron's beck and call to make any random ideas the patron has. There are reasons to spend $1M on a single art piece, but pretty much none of them have anything to do with the art.

kranke155 4y ago
Your arguments are so weird I don't know how to answer them. People buying and selling something constitutes a market in general definition but you seem to make the effort to redefine it - in any way that makes it so NFTs will never count. It's either wash trading, or a scam, or something. I don't understand why you're jumping through all these hoops to convince yourself that this isn't real when I am presenting you evidence that it is, but you seem impossible to convince so I won't try. Suffice to say I buy and sell art in NFTs using my own money, I have my own NFT collection, and I don't scam people nor do I buy from scammers. That to me constitutes a market.
- dale_glass 4y ago
  Sure, it's a market if somebody is buying and selling. My views aren't particularly weird and complicated. Let's see, resuming: * Crypto has very limited applications if any outside of the financial area, and limited even there. We won't be doing general computing on blockchains, we'll be doing extremely limited subset of financial problems, if anything. * NFTs are a mostly stupid idea. * NFTs are not about art. They're about money. Art is an excuse and the art attached to a NFT has very little importance. * NFTs are falling in popularity. * Crypto and NFT markets are chaotic, full of scams, money laundering and wash trading and in general not worth getting into. * Pretty much nobody buys NFTs for the art value. Yeah, there's going to be an exception here and there. But I don't for a second believe that paying a million to claim ownership of a quite banal animation is something that shows art appreciation. I think it's far more likely that account A wanted to transfer $1M to account B. And geez, why do it on NFT sites if you're in for the art? Buy something from an artist on DeviantArt or FurAffinity or something. You can get amazing art for not very much money at all.
  - kranke155 4y ago
    * Crypto has very limited applications if any outside of the financial area, and limited even there. We won't be doing general computing on blockchains, we'll be doing extremely limited subset of financial problems, if anything. - I agree it will be used on a subset of problems, but I think the digital world will move in that direction. I don't agree that it will only be financial problems, NFTs proved that. * NFTs are a mostly stupid idea. Opinion. * NFTs are not about art. They're about money. Art is an excuse and the art attached to a NFT has very little importance. Opinion. * NFTs are falling in popularity. True, but only because a significant subset (perhaps the majority) of users are only in it for the money (I agree with you there). The ones who are in it to buy art have not left. * Crypto and NFT markets are chaotic, full of scams, money laundering and wash trading and in general not worth getting into. This is true. * Pretty much nobody buys NFTs for the art value. Not my experience. That's about all I can say. I hope one day you change your mind. Perhaps when one of your favourite artists drops an NFT? Anyway, glad to have had a civil conversation.
    - dale_glass 4y ago

kranke155 4y ago

Your arguments are so weird I don't know how to answer them. People buying and selling something constitutes a market in general definition but you seem to make the effort to redefine it - in any way that makes it so NFTs will never count. It's either wash trading, or a scam, or something. I don't understand why you're jumping through all these hoops to convince yourself that this isn't real when I am presenting you evidence that it is, but you seem impossible to convince so I won't try. Suffice to say I buy and sell art in NFTs using my own money, I have my own NFT collection, and I don't scam people nor do I buy from scammers. That to me constitutes a market.

dale_glass 4y ago
Sure, it's a market if somebody is buying and selling. My views aren't particularly weird and complicated. Let's see, resuming: * Crypto has very limited applications if any outside of the financial area, and limited even there. We won't be doing general computing on blockchains, we'll be doing extremely limited subset of financial problems, if anything. * NFTs are a mostly stupid idea. * NFTs are not about art. They're about money. Art is an excuse and the art attached to a NFT has very little importance. * NFTs are falling in popularity. * Crypto and NFT markets are chaotic, full of scams, money laundering and wash trading and in general not worth getting into. * Pretty much nobody buys NFTs for the art value. Yeah, there's going to be an exception here and there. But I don't for a second believe that paying a million to claim ownership of a quite banal animation is something that shows art appreciation. I think it's far more likely that account A wanted to transfer $1M to account B. And geez, why do it on NFT sites if you're in for the art? Buy something from an artist on DeviantArt or FurAffinity or something. You can get amazing art for not very much money at all.
- kranke155 4y ago
  * Crypto has very limited applications if any outside of the financial area, and limited even there. We won't be doing general computing on blockchains, we'll be doing extremely limited subset of financial problems, if anything. - I agree it will be used on a subset of problems, but I think the digital world will move in that direction. I don't agree that it will only be financial problems, NFTs proved that. * NFTs are a mostly stupid idea. Opinion. * NFTs are not about art. They're about money. Art is an excuse and the art attached to a NFT has very little importance. Opinion. * NFTs are falling in popularity. True, but only because a significant subset (perhaps the majority) of users are only in it for the money (I agree with you there). The ones who are in it to buy art have not left. * Crypto and NFT markets are chaotic, full of scams, money laundering and wash trading and in general not worth getting into. This is true. * Pretty much nobody buys NFTs for the art value. Not my experience. That's about all I can say. I hope one day you change your mind. Perhaps when one of your favourite artists drops an NFT? Anyway, glad to have had a civil conversation.
  - dale_glass 4y ago