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Put it this way. The German leadership is corrupt, their populace are naive green zealots, and Trump is a random number generator. Why is it that of these three

Put it this way. The German leadership is corrupt, their populace are naive green zealots, and Trump is a random number generator. Why is it that of these three facts youre fixated on the last one? There's lot of random number generators out there.

TMWNN 4y ago
Ah yes, the "Trump says everything and anything" argument, second only to the "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" perennial. You will be surely able to list the many times in which Trump advocated for * less German/European NATO spending * greater German/European dependence on Russian gas ? Let me repeat: >Trump was right and the Germans were wrong on the biggest German crisis of the past 75 years
- t6jvcereio 4y ago
  He was saying the USA should leave NATO. In our day and age you should be arrested as traitor for saying that. The man is an idiot.
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    >He was saying the USA should leave NATO. Ah yes, the other line that people pull when questioned on this topic. First, Trump did not say that the US should leave NATO. He publicly insisted/cajoled/prodded with that signature Trump charm and style that Germany and other NATO members who don't meet the 2% of GDP spending requirement—and showed zero inclination of actually meeting the 2026 deadline (itself pushed back repeatedly after first being set in 2006)—needed to do so. >In our day and age you should be arrested as traitor for saying that. Beyond the strange notion that an American should be "arrested as a traitor" for his words, a "traitor" to whom? Who benefits more from NATO membership, the US or Germany? Who benefits more, the US or Belgium? The US or Norway? The US or Italy? Would a Russian conquest of all of Ukraine endanger US security? Not really. It is Poland that would have Russian troops on hundreds more miles of its borders. It is Poland and the Baltic states that now face the risk being cut off from the rest of NATO at the Suwalki Gap. The funny thing is that Poland and the Baltics do meet the 2% spending requirement, and have so for years. It is the likes of the far wealthier Germany, Belgium, Norway, Italy that do not. When you say that a US president should have been "arrested as a traitor" for questioning the value ("obsolete", I believe he said) of a military alliance in which the US funded 69% of total military spending while the wealthiest other members (with the notable exception of the UK) do not, have not, and (until February 2022) would not ever meet the bare minimum expectations set for them, I ask again: A traitor to whom? >The man is an idiot. An idiot who was, as I yet again point out, 100% right on the biggest crisis to face Germany in 75 years. Trump and NATO secretary-general and former Norwegian PM Jens Stoltenberg argue on camera (video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k>, article <https://pbs.org/newshour/politics/at-nato-trump-says-germany-is-totally-controlled-by-russia https://pbs.org/newshour/politics/at-nato-trump-says-germany...>) about dependence on Russia four years ago. Who turned out to be right? Who turned out to completely, totally, 100% wrong? Trump at the UN warns that Germany is endangering itself by increasing dependence on Russia. German envoys laugh <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe>, including foreign minister Heiko Maas. Who was right, Trump or Maas? Either answer my question, or shut up about the "idiot"/"traitor"/"Orange Man Bad".

TMWNN 4y ago

Ah yes, the "Trump says everything and anything" argument, second only to the "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" perennial. You will be surely able to list the many times in which Trump advocated for * less German/European NATO spending * greater German/European dependence on Russian gas ? Let me repeat: >Trump was right and the Germans were wrong on the biggest German crisis of the past 75 years

t6jvcereio 4y ago
He was saying the USA should leave NATO. In our day and age you should be arrested as traitor for saying that. The man is an idiot.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >He was saying the USA should leave NATO. Ah yes, the other line that people pull when questioned on this topic. First, Trump did not say that the US should leave NATO. He publicly insisted/cajoled/prodded with that signature Trump charm and style that Germany and other NATO members who don't meet the 2% of GDP spending requirement—and showed zero inclination of actually meeting the 2026 deadline (itself pushed back repeatedly after first being set in 2006)—needed to do so. >In our day and age you should be arrested as traitor for saying that. Beyond the strange notion that an American should be "arrested as a traitor" for his words, a "traitor" to whom? Who benefits more from NATO membership, the US or Germany? Who benefits more, the US or Belgium? The US or Norway? The US or Italy? Would a Russian conquest of all of Ukraine endanger US security? Not really. It is Poland that would have Russian troops on hundreds more miles of its borders. It is Poland and the Baltic states that now face the risk being cut off from the rest of NATO at the Suwalki Gap. The funny thing is that Poland and the Baltics do meet the 2% spending requirement, and have so for years. It is the likes of the far wealthier Germany, Belgium, Norway, Italy that do not. When you say that a US president should have been "arrested as a traitor" for questioning the value ("obsolete", I believe he said) of a military alliance in which the US funded 69% of total military spending while the wealthiest other members (with the notable exception of the UK) do not, have not, and (until February 2022) would not ever meet the bare minimum expectations set for them, I ask again: A traitor to whom? >The man is an idiot. An idiot who was, as I yet again point out, 100% right on the biggest crisis to face Germany in 75 years. Trump and NATO secretary-general and former Norwegian PM Jens Stoltenberg argue on camera (video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k>, article <https://pbs.org/newshour/politics/at-nato-trump-says-germany-is-totally-controlled-by-russia https://pbs.org/newshour/politics/at-nato-trump-says-germany...>) about dependence on Russia four years ago. Who turned out to be right? Who turned out to completely, totally, 100% wrong? Trump at the UN warns that Germany is endangering itself by increasing dependence on Russia. German envoys laugh <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe>, including foreign minister Heiko Maas. Who was right, Trump or Maas? Either answer my question, or shut up about the "idiot"/"traitor"/"Orange Man Bad".