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You have to keep in mind that to do this you'd have to blacklist every other server from federating, keep all rooms private and disable public room discovery co

by mayoi 4y ago

You have to keep in mind that to do this you'd have to blacklist every other server from federating, keep all rooms private and disable public room discovery completely. And it still wouldn't really be all that private, because matrix is public oriented protocol and nowhere on the main website do you see the word "privacy" in context of user privacy. You also cannot really delete users, nor force deletion of their messages from servers that you're federating with once the user uses the disable endpoint. Also, matrix server specification is garbage, synapse is the only implementation that at least pretends to work reliably because of that, and it's maintained by a for-profit organization.

Arathorn 4y ago
> You have to keep in mind that to do this you'd have to blacklist every other server from federating, keep all rooms private and disable public room discovery completely. Yup, if you want to run a Matrix server which doesn’t share data with any other server you just turn off federation; same as email. It’s trivial to do so. > And it still wouldn't really be all that private, because matrix is public oriented protocol and nowhere on the main website do you see the word "privacy" in context of user privacy. Nope. Matrix is for both private and public comms. For instance, right now the matrix.org homepage includes clips from the Synapse 1.65 blog post which celebrates hooking up private read receipts so you can disable read receipts from being seen by other users. > You also cannot really delete users, nor force deletion of their messages from servers that you're federating with once the user uses the disable endpoint. Obviously there is no guaranteed way to obligate a server you don’t control to delete your data. Prior to deactivating your account, you can ask servers to delete your messages. After account deletion, you don’t have a way to delete your messages… because you deleted the evidence that you created them when you deactivated your account. > Also, matrix server specification is garbage, synapse is the only implementation that at least pretends to work reliably because of that, and it's maintained by a for-profit organization. sigh. The spec is not garbage; Dendrite is perfectly usable (despite being beta), and I hear Conduit is usable too. Synapse is maintained by the Matrix.org Foundation C.I.C, which is a UK non-profit: https://matrix.org/foundation https://matrix.org/foundation. Contributions come from all over the shop, including for-profits like Element.

by mayoi 4y ago

Arathorn 4y ago

> You have to keep in mind that to do this you'd have to blacklist every other server from federating, keep all rooms private and disable public room discovery completely. Yup, if you want to run a Matrix server which doesn’t share data with any other server you just turn off federation; same as email. It’s trivial to do so. > And it still wouldn't really be all that private, because matrix is public oriented protocol and nowhere on the main website do you see the word "privacy" in context of user privacy. Nope. Matrix is for both private and public comms. For instance, right now the matrix.org homepage includes clips from the Synapse 1.65 blog post which celebrates hooking up private read receipts so you can disable read receipts from being seen by other users. > You also cannot really delete users, nor force deletion of their messages from servers that you're federating with once the user uses the disable endpoint. Obviously there is no guaranteed way to obligate a server you don’t control to delete your data. Prior to deactivating your account, you can ask servers to delete your messages. After account deletion, you don’t have a way to delete your messages… because you deleted the evidence that you created them when you deactivated your account. > Also, matrix server specification is garbage, synapse is the only implementation that at least pretends to work reliably because of that, and it's maintained by a for-profit organization. sigh. The spec is not garbage; Dendrite is perfectly usable (despite being beta), and I hear Conduit is usable too. Synapse is maintained by the Matrix.org Foundation C.I.C, which is a UK non-profit: https://matrix.org/foundation https://matrix.org/foundation. Contributions come from all over the shop, including for-profits like Element.