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I'm not sure who you are, and what you're responding to. Perhaps you replied to the wrong comment? My post was in reply to the outright lies pushed by asdajksa
by isr 4y ago
I'm not sure who you are, and what you're responding to. Perhaps you replied to the wrong comment?
My post was in reply to the outright lies pushed by asdajksah2123.
But in response to this "gem" of yours later in this thread, to whit:
> The most hilarious thing is that a conspiracy theory that Imran Khan created days before he was ousted with absolutely no evidence at all is supposed to be given any value because he lost a no confidence vote.
The evidence is actualy pretty damning. I'm just going to give a basic cliff notes version:
- the US tried to make a back door deal with the Pak military to give them bases in Pak, post-Afghan withdrawal. In addition to the usual fluff pieces in the NYT pushing this agenda, there was recorded testimony to Congress acknowledging this (all in 2021).
- Imran Khan squashed all of this. Since that point, the US had essentially decided to push for a coup in Pakistan. And this coincided nicely with the personal objectives of the other 2 power centers - namely the military high command, and the other 2 main political parties/crime families. Now you had a collusion of interests between scoundrels.
Since then:
- there were numerous meetings between US officials, and various low-level parliamentarians. All of whom are so low-level that no foreign dignatory has any business meeting with them. Much less having weekend getaways with them in Bhawalpur farmhouses (YES - we have the nitty gritty details)
- tens of millions of US$ was moved to Karachi, from the US to Zardari's crime family, and used to BUY the votes of multiple MPs. These are the very same MP's who then defected. Those defections were then used by the military to push those junior coalition partners in Imran Khan's government to jump ship (I explained in an earlier comment how the military deliberately interfered in the 2018 elections to prevent Imran Khan from getting an outright majority then - THIS is why!)
- THAT was the reason why a MILLION people came to Islamabad to protest - BEFORE Imran Khan even mentioned ANYTHING about the US involvement. The bribery was open and rather disgusting.
- the diplomatic cable mentioned by many IS real. It DOES exist. Otherwise - answer this - why would the military lodge an Official Secrets Act case and threaten THE THEN prime minister with arrest if he publically disclosed the contents?
Mr. Addicted: you're pushing a narrative that has been completely exposed within Pakistan as a pack of outright lies. Its all been exposed and reported upon - in front of 220 MILLION people. The only reason you get to pretend otherwise to a non-Pakistani audience is because nearly all of this investigative reporting was/is in Urdu.
And the cherry on top is now this:
now - even WITH massive anti-Imran vote rigging and himself removed in a coup d'etat, his party has wiped the floor with the opposition in various by-elections - in areas considered absolute strongholds of that opposition.
In a free and fair election - its quite possible that Imran Khan could win 80% of the seats. EIGHTY PERCENT!
Stick that in your pipe, and smoke it!
- selimthegrim 4y agoThen why don’t you post some links here for us Urdu speakers on HN. We do exist you know.
- isr 4y agoQuite literally hundreds of pieces of investigative journalism, done by some of the most respected true jounalists in Pakistan, each of whom have followings/viewership numbering in the MILLIONS. Spread across various platforms, from cable news stations (ARY, Bol TV) which broadcast to multiple continents, to youtube podcasts which get million plus views for 2 to 3 news videos, per day, every day. And you're pretending that you're unaware of any of this? If you are an Urdu speaker as you claim, there's no point asking what rock have you been hiding under. There's no rock big enough to explain such indifferent self-imposed ignorance.
- selimthegrim 4y agoNot all of us live in Pakistan. I don’t have a TV at home so have to go to my cousin’s house few miles away who gets ARY on satellite. Only just today did I hear about the Secrets Act case from some people at school who had just come from Pak. My cousin did say some stuff about US conspiracy but he and his dad always say that.
- isr 4y agoWell Selim, assuming you're not trolling, then I would suggest that you look for the youtube channels of established respected journalists, to get a flavour of whats happening currently. There is no chance of speaking truth on the official airwaves - the other channels threw their lot in with the coup from day 1 (that includes Geo TV, Hamid Mir, etc). Those channels that attempted to have been forcibly shutdown (eg: ARY, and now Bol) I'll drop just a few recommendations; - Imran Riaz Khan (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaszgR2TH3qNw_CxLHAd2SQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaszgR2TH3qNw_CxLHAd2SQ) - Waqar Malik (UK based freelancer, but very dedicated) (https://www.youtube.com/c/WaqarMaliks https://www.youtube.com/c/WaqarMaliks) - Haidar Mehdi (ex army officer, now based in Canada, still with links to many current serving high-ranking generals) (https://www.youtube.com/user/shrmehdi https://www.youtube.com/user/shrmehdi) You will find that people like Imran Riaz Khan (who was imprisoned just a few weeks ago) still have to be careful about what they say (hence repeated allusions to "powerful behind the scenes forces"), but Haider Mehdi and Waqar Malik, by dint of the fact that they are free from kidnapping and torture, have been quite open about calling a spade, a spade. When it comes to mainstream reporting, then Arshad Sharif and Sami Ibrahim have been quite couragous and steadfast. Both have been targetted by this coup-regime. Sami was actually attacked outside the Bol TV offices (he is the president of the news division). While Arshad has just recently had to go into exile (even though he is from a respected military family, and his brother died while on military duty - combating terrorists). I would suggest going through some of Haider Mehdi's vlogs from a few months ago to understand how we got here. He has only done a few (Waqar has so many that you wouldn't know where to start)