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This is the TikTok-ification of music. The required response is the same here, as it is to the consumption of any other media, which is the same as when orderin

This is the TikTok-ification of music. The required response is the same here, as it is to the consumption of any other media, which is the same as when ordering food. Don't order food out of a random dark kitchen. Order from a brick and mortar restaurant you know. Don't use algorithmic feeds to discover video. Find a channel/producer you like and watch that. The same applies to music. Assume everything fed to you is a tiktok style snippet of short term gratification that has no real value other than keeping you around for a few more seconds until the next snippet, while costing as little as possible for both producer and delivery platform. Don't waste time being upset that everything is TikTok. If you scroll the TikTok feed, Watch Instagram reels, Order Dark Kitchen food, or listen to generated Spotify playlists, you are part of the problem.

suction 4y ago
Doesn’t it come down to „be a critical thinker instead of a mindless consumer“? From that follows that you don’t just scroll through the homepage but should use the search function, in an informed way. Which in turn already fails at the majority of people being too lazy to type, and not knowing how to search for things they want. They quickly give up, and just take the easy route of consuming what’s served to them. It’s the modern equivalent of falling on the sofa, switching on the TV, and just watching whatever’s on until they fall asleep. Getting a majority of people to care about their media consumption is probably a hopeless cause.
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permo-w 4y ago
the comment seems to place the blame and responsibility squarely on the consumer yes consumers create the demand, and yes corporations are simply fulfilling that demand, but no, changing consumer behaviour is not the solution it is unpleasant to say, but most (all?) people are not rational actors, and no matter how much proselytising to the choir on obscure message boards goes on, that is not going to change given the free opportunity, especially with the urging of self-interested corporations, most people will become addicted to cigarettes, or slot machines, or micro-transactions, or heroin. the solution is not to teach some bible of consumer behaviour to a group of people that probably don’t do these things anyway, it is to use public organisation to force these large, perversely-incentivised groups of people to follow a set of rules that maintain a healthy media space
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
I mean I will use the algorithmic lists to discover new music - with limited success in recent years, I might add - and the autoplaying 'radio' after an album helps to keep me in a flow, but I usually start with a specific band / album or playlist.
mekkkkkk 4y ago
Yes, you are part of the problem. But you are also a victim to the problem. You can only expect so much individual resistance against conveniences that are being launched into your brain by massive industries. Succumbing to these conveniences is highly understandable.
fassssst 4y ago
https://www.kexp.org/ https://www.kexp.org/ Eclectic music curated by real DJ’s, you’re welcome.
- werds 4y ago
  https://vintageobscura.net/ https://vintageobscura.net/ https://imr.party/ https://imr.party/ https://www.nts.live/ https://www.nts.live/ https://sohoradiolondon.com https://sohoradiolondon.com https://worldwidefm.net/ https://worldwidefm.net/ https://www.dublab.com/ https://www.dublab.com/ https://netilradio.com/ https://netilradio.com/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music https://poolsuite.net/ https://poolsuite.net/ https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/ i only listen to live radio, this is my station rotation (in addition to KEXP)
  - lukas099 4y ago
    So how do you listen to these? In your browser, or do you use some kind of streaming app?
- adamweld 4y ago
  kexp is the fucking best.
schnevets 4y ago
It is an awful side-effect of products getting bazaar-ified, where technology reduces friction in entering the marketplace and new "stalls" appear en masse. Human curation is a clear remedy - I can only listen to so much music or eat so many meals a day, so do I really need an algorithm to "optimize" that quantity? I bet many listeners believe the Spotify-presented playlists are being curated, as if the stock image models in the thumbnail actually are jamming together and meeting with musicians face-to-face. So much of the recommendation service seems obfuscated to customers that I honestly don't understand what the end game is. Everyone is racing to just be "stickier" than their opponent that I can imagine a sudden pivot in customer demands where "Made for you" becomes a technology mistake akin to "Facebook Games"

suction 4y ago

Doesn’t it come down to „be a critical thinker instead of a mindless consumer“? From that follows that you don’t just scroll through the homepage but should use the search function, in an informed way. Which in turn already fails at the majority of people being too lazy to type, and not knowing how to search for things they want. They quickly give up, and just take the easy route of consuming what’s served to them. It’s the modern equivalent of falling on the sofa, switching on the TV, and just watching whatever’s on until they fall asleep. Getting a majority of people to care about their media consumption is probably a hopeless cause.

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permo-w 4y ago

the comment seems to place the blame and responsibility squarely on the consumer yes consumers create the demand, and yes corporations are simply fulfilling that demand, but no, changing consumer behaviour is not the solution it is unpleasant to say, but most (all?) people are not rational actors, and no matter how much proselytising to the choir on obscure message boards goes on, that is not going to change given the free opportunity, especially with the urging of self-interested corporations, most people will become addicted to cigarettes, or slot machines, or micro-transactions, or heroin. the solution is not to teach some bible of consumer behaviour to a group of people that probably don’t do these things anyway, it is to use public organisation to force these large, perversely-incentivised groups of people to follow a set of rules that maintain a healthy media space

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

I mean I will use the algorithmic lists to discover new music - with limited success in recent years, I might add - and the autoplaying 'radio' after an album helps to keep me in a flow, but I usually start with a specific band / album or playlist.

mekkkkkk 4y ago

Yes, you are part of the problem. But you are also a victim to the problem. You can only expect so much individual resistance against conveniences that are being launched into your brain by massive industries. Succumbing to these conveniences is highly understandable.

fassssst 4y ago

https://www.kexp.org/ https://www.kexp.org/ Eclectic music curated by real DJ’s, you’re welcome.

werds 4y ago
https://vintageobscura.net/ https://vintageobscura.net/ https://imr.party/ https://imr.party/ https://www.nts.live/ https://www.nts.live/ https://sohoradiolondon.com https://sohoradiolondon.com https://worldwidefm.net/ https://worldwidefm.net/ https://www.dublab.com/ https://www.dublab.com/ https://netilradio.com/ https://netilradio.com/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music https://poolsuite.net/ https://poolsuite.net/ https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/ i only listen to live radio, this is my station rotation (in addition to KEXP)
- lukas099 4y ago
  So how do you listen to these? In your browser, or do you use some kind of streaming app?
adamweld 4y ago
kexp is the fucking best.

schnevets 4y ago

It is an awful side-effect of products getting bazaar-ified, where technology reduces friction in entering the marketplace and new "stalls" appear en masse. Human curation is a clear remedy - I can only listen to so much music or eat so many meals a day, so do I really need an algorithm to "optimize" that quantity? I bet many listeners believe the Spotify-presented playlists are being curated, as if the stock image models in the thumbnail actually are jamming together and meeting with musicians face-to-face. So much of the recommendation service seems obfuscated to customers that I honestly don't understand what the end game is. Everyone is racing to just be "stickier" than their opponent that I can imagine a sudden pivot in customer demands where "Made for you" becomes a technology mistake akin to "Facebook Games"