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Same for France. I've been continually "impressed" by how manufacturers (this is both Dell and Lenovo, the two big ones I'd personally check) list Linux devices

Same for France. I've been continually "impressed" by how manufacturers (this is both Dell and Lenovo, the two big ones I'd personally check) list Linux devices in their US stores but then they're unavailable in other countries. The filtering functions of their shops insist there's no options for Linux laptops. Then you use full text search and some show up. Obviously not the dev laptops I'd have wanted, but still. These companies need to get their act together; it's unbelievable how bad their online shops are in 2022.

vladvasiliu 4y ago
Some are even worse. I'm not sure why exactly providing Linux would vary by region, I don't expect it to have any kind of regulatory issue, like say radios would. But a few months ago, I had bought an HP EliteBook 845 G8 for work. Note the 5, it's the AMD version. We went through an intermediary to buy (our usual supplier), and I suspected there was some funny business going on, since it physically had a Realtek WiFi card while the merchant's description said Intel and I specifically wanted Intel. This wasn't some kind of shady seller off Amazon, mind, but a reputable local business. Lo and behold, HP's site didn't have any such model. I was checking it from the computer in front of me. Not only did their online store not seem to carry any EB845, even the "models" only tangentially mentioned it. They wouldn't show any details when clicking on it. But if I went to Google and looked for the computer's manual, it would show up, on the local HP France site, in French. The warranty check would correctly identify the product, with the correct country and date of purchase. Digging around the manuals, with my SKU in hand, it was indeed supposed to have the RTL Wifi card.
black3r 4y ago
At least you live in a country where you have the official shops available.., I still don't understand to this day what's the problem in having one e-shop that ships to whole EU, even if they didn't support all the languages. In Slovakia there's no official e-shop for Dell, Google, Apple (and presumably others), you have to go through resellers, where prices are higher and vary from one shop to another, and most of them don't have the build your own system option and/or don't list all available configurations...
- vetinari 4y ago
  > you have to go through resellers, where prices are higher and vary from one shop to another, At least for Apple and their Premium resellers (in Slovakia: mzone, iStores, iSTYLE), they are exactly the same. They have to be. (This can be a disadvantage as well).
- badpun 4y ago
  > I still don't understand to this day what's the problem in having one e-shop that ships to whole EU, even if they didn't support all the languages. Different countries, different laws, different taxes.
  - diffeomorphism 4y ago
    Not really, no: https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/actions-topic/single-market_en https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/acti...
Foobar8568 4y ago
Check Swiss website, better keyboard layout, for some reasons, I see often newer models on the CH website than even US one, at least for lenovo. And there are often the choice of no OS (might vary of the model//Intel CPU with their new drm. ). Although delivery might be tricky for non Swiss residents/workers.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

Some are even worse. I'm not sure why exactly providing Linux would vary by region, I don't expect it to have any kind of regulatory issue, like say radios would. But a few months ago, I had bought an HP EliteBook 845 G8 for work. Note the 5, it's the AMD version. We went through an intermediary to buy (our usual supplier), and I suspected there was some funny business going on, since it physically had a Realtek WiFi card while the merchant's description said Intel and I specifically wanted Intel. This wasn't some kind of shady seller off Amazon, mind, but a reputable local business. Lo and behold, HP's site didn't have any such model. I was checking it from the computer in front of me. Not only did their online store not seem to carry any EB845, even the "models" only tangentially mentioned it. They wouldn't show any details when clicking on it. But if I went to Google and looked for the computer's manual, it would show up, on the local HP France site, in French. The warranty check would correctly identify the product, with the correct country and date of purchase. Digging around the manuals, with my SKU in hand, it was indeed supposed to have the RTL Wifi card.

black3r 4y ago

At least you live in a country where you have the official shops available.., I still don't understand to this day what's the problem in having one e-shop that ships to whole EU, even if they didn't support all the languages. In Slovakia there's no official e-shop for Dell, Google, Apple (and presumably others), you have to go through resellers, where prices are higher and vary from one shop to another, and most of them don't have the build your own system option and/or don't list all available configurations...

vetinari 4y ago
> you have to go through resellers, where prices are higher and vary from one shop to another, At least for Apple and their Premium resellers (in Slovakia: mzone, iStores, iSTYLE), they are exactly the same. They have to be. (This can be a disadvantage as well).
badpun 4y ago
> I still don't understand to this day what's the problem in having one e-shop that ships to whole EU, even if they didn't support all the languages. Different countries, different laws, different taxes.
- diffeomorphism 4y ago
  Not really, no: https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/actions-topic/single-market_en https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/acti...

Foobar8568 4y ago

Check Swiss website, better keyboard layout, for some reasons, I see often newer models on the CH website than even US one, at least for lenovo. And there are often the choice of no OS (might vary of the model//Intel CPU with their new drm. ). Although delivery might be tricky for non Swiss residents/workers.