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So you say we should price in all those fossil and renewable sources which help France and they rotting nuclear fleet these days? The whole "criticism" (more l

So you say we should price in all those fossil and renewable sources which help France and they rotting nuclear fleet these days? The whole "criticism" (more like: meddling) of Lazard grew from the fans of nuclear. It doesn't make any sense but to make nuclear look better. However it backfires spectacularly these days.

kaba0 4y ago
Did you look at historical data on who gave who electricity in former years? Climate change is changing the playing field fast and unexpectedly, but let’s not forget that e.g. solar panels don’t work better in huge heat either - it affects everything. And even so, nuclear plants will go back to producing a shitton of energy once the weather cools a bit.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  > Did you look at historical data on who gave who electricity in former years? I did and Germany has been exporting more than they buy for decades. Considering that just like France it is part of a single market and France HAS to run their fleet all the time and so is selling "cheap" on the EEX it's quite surprising that Germany doesn't buy more cheap nuclear energy from France throughout the year. But it doesn't ant that's not only because of the failures of the French fleet in summer and winter but also because it's not really cheap. It's only "cheap" for the French consumers because there is a fixed price and they pay for the real price with their taxes. > And even so, nuclear plants will go back to producing a shitton of energy once the weather cools a bit. Let's hope so for the not self sufficient country of France so the rest of Europe with their diversified power sources won't have to safe their ass again. PS. it is not "just" the heat which has wrecked their nuclear fleet. Look it up. It's a massive fuckup and they need to be done by winter when all those electric heaters in French homes will come on line.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    France has also been exporting about twice as much energy as they import: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279015/france-electricity-trade-in-europe-by-country/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20France%20exported%20a,with%20nearly%2022%20terawatt%20hours https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279015/france-electrici.... The difference is that most of France's exports are carbon-free energy.
    - Krasnol 4y ago
      This is a useless graphic. They HAVE to export because they can't regulate and they have to sell so the dishonest hidden price scheme they drive with their tax payer doesn't get too bad. In the end they still need dirty power from countries like Germany. Something which is not carbon-free but also doesn't appear in all those fancy graphics the radioactive Astro-Turf hands out to their followers.
      - Manuel_D 4y ago
        The net decarbonization is still better. It's not that they can't regulate reactor output (they can) it's that running at 100% capacity all the time is more optimal. Even including the fossil fuel imports Frances's carbon intensity of energy is lower.
        Krasnol 4y ago
        Regulating nuclear makes it even worse economically. Today's state of their fleet shows: they missed the train on renewables. Would they have them, they wouldn't have to buy so much dirty power from abroad. Also: others wouldn't have to produce so much dirt because those dirty reactors can be shut down fast. I mean seriously...they have so much nuclear because they needed the technology for military use. They never did it for the environment or something. It's also not like this is some green energy source. Their failure to diversify costs the rest of Europe money today and will cost it for months. There is absolutely nothing to cherish there. It's not an example for anyone since money is better invested in renewables today already. So what's the point?
Manuel_D 4y ago
The "rotting nuclear fleer" means France still generates more of it's electricity from carbon free energy sources than all of its neighbors, and it's a lot less exposed to natural gas shortages. How exactly is it backfiring?
- Krasnol 4y ago
  It is right now completely exposed since they heavily depend on deliveries of dirty energy from Germany, UK, etc. and it will get even worse in the winter if they don't fix the show up.

kaba0 4y ago

Did you look at historical data on who gave who electricity in former years? Climate change is changing the playing field fast and unexpectedly, but let’s not forget that e.g. solar panels don’t work better in huge heat either - it affects everything. And even so, nuclear plants will go back to producing a shitton of energy once the weather cools a bit.

Krasnol 4y ago
> Did you look at historical data on who gave who electricity in former years? I did and Germany has been exporting more than they buy for decades. Considering that just like France it is part of a single market and France HAS to run their fleet all the time and so is selling "cheap" on the EEX it's quite surprising that Germany doesn't buy more cheap nuclear energy from France throughout the year. But it doesn't ant that's not only because of the failures of the French fleet in summer and winter but also because it's not really cheap. It's only "cheap" for the French consumers because there is a fixed price and they pay for the real price with their taxes. > And even so, nuclear plants will go back to producing a shitton of energy once the weather cools a bit. Let's hope so for the not self sufficient country of France so the rest of Europe with their diversified power sources won't have to safe their ass again. PS. it is not "just" the heat which has wrecked their nuclear fleet. Look it up. It's a massive fuckup and they need to be done by winter when all those electric heaters in French homes will come on line.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  France has also been exporting about twice as much energy as they import: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279015/france-electricity-trade-in-europe-by-country/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20France%20exported%20a,with%20nearly%2022%20terawatt%20hours https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279015/france-electrici.... The difference is that most of France's exports are carbon-free energy.
  - Krasnol 4y ago
    This is a useless graphic. They HAVE to export because they can't regulate and they have to sell so the dishonest hidden price scheme they drive with their tax payer doesn't get too bad. In the end they still need dirty power from countries like Germany. Something which is not carbon-free but also doesn't appear in all those fancy graphics the radioactive Astro-Turf hands out to their followers.
    - Manuel_D 4y ago
      The net decarbonization is still better. It's not that they can't regulate reactor output (they can) it's that running at 100% capacity all the time is more optimal. Even including the fossil fuel imports Frances's carbon intensity of energy is lower.
      - Krasnol 4y ago
        Regulating nuclear makes it even worse economically. Today's state of their fleet shows: they missed the train on renewables. Would they have them, they wouldn't have to buy so much dirty power from abroad. Also: others wouldn't have to produce so much dirt because those dirty reactors can be shut down fast. I mean seriously...they have so much nuclear because they needed the technology for military use. They never did it for the environment or something. It's also not like this is some green energy source. Their failure to diversify costs the rest of Europe money today and will cost it for months. There is absolutely nothing to cherish there. It's not an example for anyone since money is better invested in renewables today already. So what's the point?

Manuel_D 4y ago

The "rotting nuclear fleer" means France still generates more of it's electricity from carbon free energy sources than all of its neighbors, and it's a lot less exposed to natural gas shortages. How exactly is it backfiring?

Krasnol 4y ago
It is right now completely exposed since they heavily depend on deliveries of dirty energy from Germany, UK, etc. and it will get even worse in the winter if they don't fix the show up.