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Exactly! Maybe this is a small minority being extra loud. Thank you for saving me a lot of typing. Diversity for the sake of diversity hurts us all. You really

Exactly! Maybe this is a small minority being extra loud. Thank you for saving me a lot of typing. Diversity for the sake of diversity hurts us all. You really do need to fix the underlying problems. I believe that there really are few qualified minority candidates for these jobs out there and there would be a lot more if we could fix some of the poverty and segregation that exists out there. Black people in this country live in a separate America. They have their own culture as a result of past racism. So many black youth are living in these poor neighborhoods where they're learning that the only way to get ahead is to hussle in the bad sense of the word. Take a look at hip hop and the ideals being broadcast with that music. Make that money (however you can), trust no one, the world is against you. And it really is against them. Violence, crime, gangs, drugs, poverty. This is what a lot of minorities have to deal with growing up. If they manage to avoid the pitfalls of growing up that way they then have to adjust to a whole different world in college and beyond. If we can fix this issue then we'll have a lot more qualified minority candidates. Look at pro sports. Why are so many star athletes black? Because they had no other way out. Meanwhile the suburban white kids have the luxury of living in a safe cul de sac where they can sit quietly and study or save up an allowance to pay the smart kid I'm the block to take his SAT. Women are brought up to be these frail creatures and have heavy emphasis on things that won't help them become the career women we see in movies. There's a lot of talk about women's rights and equality but it isn't practiced as much as rhetoric is thrown around about it. We as white males benefit greatly from White Privilege. It isn't our fault and we shouldn't feel guilty about it but we should recognize it and try to change it. The fact of the matter is that our culture and society is heaviily biased toward helping white men succeed with the ideals we're taught, the opportunities we're given, and just the way we're generally raised. If we can extend White Privilege to everyone then we will have more diversity. There really is just less qualified minorities than whites in this industry and going out of our way to find a minority isn't helping anything. It just covers up a problem and leaves behind the greater issue. This needs to be addressed at the root.

Anechoic 15y ago
>Diversity for the sake of diversity hurts us all I agree with this, but at the same time, a lack of diversity might (I stress might) indicate a problem with racism or (more likely these days) disparate impact and it's worth investigating and rectifying if need be. Just chalking it up to "well, I guess blacks/women/etc just aren't into tech" (not that you said that, but other posts here reflect that) may be ignoring a problem. If proper research shows that is the case, then fine, but let's not leap to assumptions. >Black people in this country live in a separate America. They have their own culture as a result of past racism. I see what you're trying to say here, and there are cultural/regional differences, but saying "[blacks] have their own culture" makes it sound a bit like an alien society. American black culture is just a subset of American culture - a random black guy from Chicago is going to have a lot more in common culturally with a white guy from Seattle compared to a black guy in sub-Saharan Africa. >If we can extend White Privilege to everyone then we will have more diversity. I'd rather just get rid of privilege totally, but that's a tall order. I do a lot of consulting for government agencies and in that world you really do get work based primarily on who you know. As a result a lot of my colleagues tend to be white males, not because of any sort of overt racism, but because the white males who head up government agencies tend to look within their circles of other white males for recommendations. Making the procurement process fairer and more reliant on merit will probably increase diversity in my market, and that's a good thing in terms of increasing opportunities for all.
vacri 15y ago
"pro sports as an escape from the ghetto" needs to die as a theme. There are only a few thousand professional athletes in the US across all sports, most of them men, far from all of them black - and there are something like 30 million blacks in the US. I can't say how many of those 30 million are living in entrenched poverty, but simply seeing the discrepancy between these numbers revokes the idea that pro sports is a viable way to improve your lot if you are in a poor place.
eaurouge 15y ago
"Black people in this country live in a separate America. They have their own culture..." It's as if your knowledge of black people comes solely from watching rap videos and the NBA.
designNERD 15y ago
I get what you are trying to say and in general you "get it". However what you are talking about is in general a class issue, blacks just happen to be disproportionately poor. All Black Americans do not have the same culture. I just wanted to point that out because it can come off like a sweeping generalization of all Black people and that is certainly not the case.

Anechoic 15y ago

>Diversity for the sake of diversity hurts us all I agree with this, but at the same time, a lack of diversity might (I stress might) indicate a problem with racism or (more likely these days) disparate impact and it's worth investigating and rectifying if need be. Just chalking it up to "well, I guess blacks/women/etc just aren't into tech" (not that you said that, but other posts here reflect that) may be ignoring a problem. If proper research shows that is the case, then fine, but let's not leap to assumptions. >Black people in this country live in a separate America. They have their own culture as a result of past racism. I see what you're trying to say here, and there are cultural/regional differences, but saying "[blacks] have their own culture" makes it sound a bit like an alien society. American black culture is just a subset of American culture - a random black guy from Chicago is going to have a lot more in common culturally with a white guy from Seattle compared to a black guy in sub-Saharan Africa. >If we can extend White Privilege to everyone then we will have more diversity. I'd rather just get rid of privilege totally, but that's a tall order. I do a lot of consulting for government agencies and in that world you really do get work based primarily on who you know. As a result a lot of my colleagues tend to be white males, not because of any sort of overt racism, but because the white males who head up government agencies tend to look within their circles of other white males for recommendations. Making the procurement process fairer and more reliant on merit will probably increase diversity in my market, and that's a good thing in terms of increasing opportunities for all.

vacri 15y ago

"pro sports as an escape from the ghetto" needs to die as a theme. There are only a few thousand professional athletes in the US across all sports, most of them men, far from all of them black - and there are something like 30 million blacks in the US. I can't say how many of those 30 million are living in entrenched poverty, but simply seeing the discrepancy between these numbers revokes the idea that pro sports is a viable way to improve your lot if you are in a poor place.

eaurouge 15y ago

"Black people in this country live in a separate America. They have their own culture..." It's as if your knowledge of black people comes solely from watching rap videos and the NBA.

designNERD 15y ago

I get what you are trying to say and in general you "get it". However what you are talking about is in general a class issue, blacks just happen to be disproportionately poor. All Black Americans do not have the same culture. I just wanted to point that out because it can come off like a sweeping generalization of all Black people and that is certainly not the case.