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>It'll be fun and games until you're the elderly Asian person whose skull has been bashed in. German and European descendants have essentially nothing to do wi

>It'll be fun and games until you're the elderly Asian person whose skull has been bashed in. German and European descendants have essentially nothing to do with this phenomenon. In fact, white elders were the primary targets of brutal rapes, assaults, murders, and home invasions by the same POC criminal groups before the US had a large Asian population. Such violence on the streets and in schools was the primary cause for white flight to the suburbs are rural areas. It was a series of decisions made from the exact perspective you’re describing. This view is generally not taught in US schools but is extensively documented in primary sources, such as “Left Behind in Rosedale:” https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2056992.Left_Behind_In_Rosedale# https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2056992.Left_Behind_In_R... And “Common Ground,” a book about the result of forced busing imposed on communities at literal gunpoint: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Ground_(Lukas_book) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Ground_(Lukas_book) European descendants remain victims in ~90% of interracial crime between these two groups today. Similar number for Asians, similar lack of media attention paid. Bet you never heard of the gang assault and murder of Ee Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ee_Lee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ee_Lee

bergenty 4y ago
White flight was unadulterated racism. It wasn’t because the black family that moved down the street started being violent. It’s because whites did not want to live on the same street as them. Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US.
- deepdriver 4y ago
  The primary historical sources contradict your opinion. Racism was a part of it, certainly. The other part and the reason for much of the racism was excessive violence and crime. Here’s another book from the era which documents this, note the top review: https://www.amazon.com/school-ten-year-destruction-Franklin-Brooklyn/dp/B007FMVAH8 https://www.amazon.com/school-ten-year-destruction-Franklin-... >Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US. Do you understand that this number includes urban areas?
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  - jonnybgood 4y ago
    How are you qualifying “primary historical sources”? Nothing in the links you posted indicate these to be official primary historical sources other than you claiming them to be so.
    - deepdriver 4y ago
- badpun 4y ago
  > Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US. What does it have to do with anything? Let's simplify and assume interracial crimes only include a white person and a black person (e.g. we're excluding other races to simplify the model). If both races had equal propensity for crimes, the whites (as well as the blacks) would victims of 50% of interracial crimes. Given that whites they were victims of 90% of interracial crimes, it must mean that the other races were the perpetrators of 90% of interracial crimes. The fact that whites are the most populous race does not change anything there.
eulenteufel 4y ago
>> It'll be fun and games until you're the elderly Asian person whose skull has been bashed in. > German and European descendants have essentially nothing to do with this phenomenon. You might want to read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock-Lichtenhagen_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock-Lichtenhagen_riots
- deepdriver 4y ago
  The parent comment was highlighting anti-Asian hate attacks in the US. These attacks are overwhelmingly committed by Afro-American men. If you'd rather talk about ethnically-motivated mob attacks in Germany, there's no need to look as far as 30 years back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_E... Regarding your link: >The shelter was originally intended to house 300 refugees a month, but by summer 1992 it was averaging 11,500 refugees per month. Primarily Roma from Romania I don't remember any war in 1992 in Romania. The social problems involving Roma people in Europe are well-documented, on the other hand.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >I don't remember any war in 1992 in Romania. Is war the only thing that puts people's lives in danger? There was no declaration of war but neither was for Russia's invation of Ukraine. If you would have looked it up, you would have found out it was a civil war. There was a revolution in 1989 which toppled the communism regime which was followed by a long period of turmoil of riots and violent uprisings till the mid '90 (the mineriade were the most infamous) which saw extreme poverty, crime and people being beaten in the streets. A lot of it was because the people who came to power after the revolution were the same cronies who ruled during comunism, typically members of the communist party and the secret police. Going from comunism to capitalism isn't some binary switch you can toggle on/off without issues, even though you might not think of it because there was no declaration of war. Edit: if you downvoted, would you mind explaining? Or do you not believe in history?
stonogo 4y ago
Scott Cummings uses terms like "black invasion" to describe demographic changes in the neighborhood. It's difficult to separate his obvious biases from his work, leaving a slanted product unfit as an accurate record. Lukas is a much more reliable narrator, however, and Common Ground is an excellent work. Your statistics are uninteresting; the largest demographic is indeed the primary recipient of inter-demographic action from the second-largest demographic. This is to be expected in any interaction across any demographic boundary. Trying to use to it to advance some agenda is disingenuous, especially since 80% of all white people murdered are murdered by white people -- in other words, you're dealing with marginalia here. The claim about the "lack of media attention" for black-on-asian violence is similarly absurd, since there is plentiful media coverage of the problem as a whole and your provided example in specific, as demonstrated in the sources cited by your Wikipedia link.
- deepdriver 4y ago
  > Scott Cummings uses terms like "black invasion" to describe demographic changes in the neighborhood. So what? That’s how the elderly people getting robbed, raped and murdered saw it. Does their suffering count for nothing? Elder whites in Rosedale were specifically targeted for violence. The verbatim confessions of the perpetrators admit this. The crime data record this. The same pattern now repeats with elderly Asians. Whatever you think of the author, a committed liberal whose distaste for the racist speech of some interview subjects is palpable, the facts stand on their own. If you want to talk statistics, the racial disparities in both inter- and intra-race violence remain even at comparable income levels. They are especially pronounced between blacks and Asians. It’s not necessary to speculate as to reasons in order to note that it’s true. Without acknowledging something’s happening, it cannot be addressed and is impossible to fix. The lack of attention to anti-Asian violence relates to the identities of the perpetrators, as you know. These stories also fall out of the news much quicker than, for instance, the killing of Ahmaud Arbery.
- afiori 4y ago
  If you take a random directed graph and separate the nodes in two sets A and B you would expect* the arrow from A to B to be about the same as those from B to A regardless of the relative size. * on average on all partitions with |A| \le |B|

bergenty 4y ago

White flight was unadulterated racism. It wasn’t because the black family that moved down the street started being violent. It’s because whites did not want to live on the same street as them. Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US.

deepdriver 4y ago
The primary historical sources contradict your opinion. Racism was a part of it, certainly. The other part and the reason for much of the racism was excessive violence and crime. Here’s another book from the era which documents this, note the top review: https://www.amazon.com/school-ten-year-destruction-Franklin-Brooklyn/dp/B007FMVAH8 https://www.amazon.com/school-ten-year-destruction-Franklin-... >Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US. Do you understand that this number includes urban areas?
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- jonnybgood 4y ago
  How are you qualifying “primary historical sources”? Nothing in the links you posted indicate these to be official primary historical sources other than you claiming them to be so.
  - deepdriver 4y ago
badpun 4y ago
> Of course caucasians would be a victim of ~90% of interracial crime, those are the general population demographics in most places that are not urban in the US. What does it have to do with anything? Let's simplify and assume interracial crimes only include a white person and a black person (e.g. we're excluding other races to simplify the model). If both races had equal propensity for crimes, the whites (as well as the blacks) would victims of 50% of interracial crimes. Given that whites they were victims of 90% of interracial crimes, it must mean that the other races were the perpetrators of 90% of interracial crimes. The fact that whites are the most populous race does not change anything there.

eulenteufel 4y ago

>> It'll be fun and games until you're the elderly Asian person whose skull has been bashed in. > German and European descendants have essentially nothing to do with this phenomenon. You might want to read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock-Lichtenhagen_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock-Lichtenhagen_riots

deepdriver 4y ago
The parent comment was highlighting anti-Asian hate attacks in the US. These attacks are overwhelmingly committed by Afro-American men. If you'd rather talk about ethnically-motivated mob attacks in Germany, there's no need to look as far as 30 years back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_E... Regarding your link: >The shelter was originally intended to house 300 refugees a month, but by summer 1992 it was averaging 11,500 refugees per month. Primarily Roma from Romania I don't remember any war in 1992 in Romania. The social problems involving Roma people in Europe are well-documented, on the other hand.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >I don't remember any war in 1992 in Romania. Is war the only thing that puts people's lives in danger? There was no declaration of war but neither was for Russia's invation of Ukraine. If you would have looked it up, you would have found out it was a civil war. There was a revolution in 1989 which toppled the communism regime which was followed by a long period of turmoil of riots and violent uprisings till the mid '90 (the mineriade were the most infamous) which saw extreme poverty, crime and people being beaten in the streets. A lot of it was because the people who came to power after the revolution were the same cronies who ruled during comunism, typically members of the communist party and the secret police. Going from comunism to capitalism isn't some binary switch you can toggle on/off without issues, even though you might not think of it because there was no declaration of war. Edit: if you downvoted, would you mind explaining? Or do you not believe in history?

stonogo 4y ago

Scott Cummings uses terms like "black invasion" to describe demographic changes in the neighborhood. It's difficult to separate his obvious biases from his work, leaving a slanted product unfit as an accurate record. Lukas is a much more reliable narrator, however, and Common Ground is an excellent work. Your statistics are uninteresting; the largest demographic is indeed the primary recipient of inter-demographic action from the second-largest demographic. This is to be expected in any interaction across any demographic boundary. Trying to use to it to advance some agenda is disingenuous, especially since 80% of all white people murdered are murdered by white people -- in other words, you're dealing with marginalia here. The claim about the "lack of media attention" for black-on-asian violence is similarly absurd, since there is plentiful media coverage of the problem as a whole and your provided example in specific, as demonstrated in the sources cited by your Wikipedia link.

deepdriver 4y ago
> Scott Cummings uses terms like "black invasion" to describe demographic changes in the neighborhood. So what? That’s how the elderly people getting robbed, raped and murdered saw it. Does their suffering count for nothing? Elder whites in Rosedale were specifically targeted for violence. The verbatim confessions of the perpetrators admit this. The crime data record this. The same pattern now repeats with elderly Asians. Whatever you think of the author, a committed liberal whose distaste for the racist speech of some interview subjects is palpable, the facts stand on their own. If you want to talk statistics, the racial disparities in both inter- and intra-race violence remain even at comparable income levels. They are especially pronounced between blacks and Asians. It’s not necessary to speculate as to reasons in order to note that it’s true. Without acknowledging something’s happening, it cannot be addressed and is impossible to fix. The lack of attention to anti-Asian violence relates to the identities of the perpetrators, as you know. These stories also fall out of the news much quicker than, for instance, the killing of Ahmaud Arbery.
afiori 4y ago
If you take a random directed graph and separate the nodes in two sets A and B you would expect* the arrow from A to B to be about the same as those from B to A regardless of the relative size. * on average on all partitions with |A| \le |B|