Your stated position of it being a 'hoax' is not a conclusion I could ever reach. Trump's ties to Russia despite being inflated by the news aren't a 'hoax'. His

Your stated position of it being a 'hoax' is not a conclusion I could ever reach. Trump's ties to Russia despite being inflated by the news aren't a 'hoax'. His campaign members entanglement in foreign affairs wasn't a 'hoax'. I can agree some of those actions have possible alternative motives, but they are listed because the outcomes Trump encouraged were also favorable outcomes for Russia. You can weight their severity however I guess. I don't know what to say about your denial of the Ukraine blackmail. First you change my answer to being about whether the aid was held instead of the fact that he tried to pressure Ukraine into releasing information about his political opponent. Aside from that it was clear funding was held after the White House initially determined conditions were met. Mick Mulvaney even excused it as Trump being "not a big fan of foreign aid", and claimed Trump said Ukraine was a corrupt place (Oct. 17 2019 press briefing). It doesn't make sense to try and excuse it like this if no aid was withheld. I don't know why bring up Obama as relating the MH-17. Trump's comments were after the investigation that concluded from Dutch authorities, and the conclusion of his own intelligence apparatus. We can write it off as just Trump's style to say words that only benefit a rival, but that just makes him to be rather incompetent as I said before. Still damning. edit: I wrote incorrectly about the Dutch investigation time. That was concluded before the election, not during Trump's term.