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I know this kind of reply may trigger a harsh response from HN mods, but this really needs to be said. You are lying through your teeth. The plain facts, in n

by isr 4y ago

I know this kind of reply may trigger a harsh response from HN mods, but this really needs to be said. You are lying through your teeth. The plain facts, in no particular order: 1. Imran Khan's party had much larger support in 2013 elections, and that support was suppressed via election rigging. Its impossible to really say wether he would won an outright majority then (probably not), but who knows 2. In 2018, there was massive rigging to ensure that Imran Khan would NOT win an outright parliamentary majority. This was admitted to, PLAIN AS DAY, by one of the crooks who is currently "defence minister" (what a joke). He openly and plainly admitted that he was losing during the count in his constiuency, he picked up the phone and complained to the army chief, and lo and behold - the remaining count miracoulusly went in his favour. Multiple other examples like this. THE ONLY REASON that the previous opposition were complaining about rigging is because, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, they were handicapped in rigging in their own favour,in their own localities. 3. Imran Khan was extremely unpopular with the public? Complete hogwash. BEFORE HE EVEN MENTIONED THE US INVOLVEMENT, he held a number of political rallies, in the last week of his premiership. One such rally resulted in A MILLION PEOPLE coming to Islamabad. A MILLION NEW CELL PHONE NUMBERS were registered in the Islamabad area by telco's during that weekend So there goes your entire narrative that you were trying to falsely push.

addicted 4y ago
Interesting that you would claim I’m lying while I provide links to prove by numbers while you don’t. The best you have is 2013 numbers to make claims about a 2020+ situation. I don’t think I need to say anything else to prove your lies. What a joke. What reasonable person would point to 2013 numbers to justify their claims about a 2022 election.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  It's a vicarious sort of fun to come across a political debate in which I'm a complete outsider with no prior knowledge, no position, and no bias. It's like watching a loud public domestic argument between people you've never seen before and never will again.
- isr 4y ago
  I'm not sure who you are, and what you're responding to. Perhaps you replied to the wrong comment? My post was in reply to the outright lies pushed by asdajksah2123. But in response to this "gem" of yours later in this thread, to whit: > The most hilarious thing is that a conspiracy theory that Imran Khan created days before he was ousted with absolutely no evidence at all is supposed to be given any value because he lost a no confidence vote. The evidence is actualy pretty damning. I'm just going to give a basic cliff notes version: - the US tried to make a back door deal with the Pak military to give them bases in Pak, post-Afghan withdrawal. In addition to the usual fluff pieces in the NYT pushing this agenda, there was recorded testimony to Congress acknowledging this (all in 2021). - Imran Khan squashed all of this. Since that point, the US had essentially decided to push for a coup in Pakistan. And this coincided nicely with the personal objectives of the other 2 power centers - namely the military high command, and the other 2 main political parties/crime families. Now you had a collusion of interests between scoundrels. Since then: - there were numerous meetings between US officials, and various low-level parliamentarians. All of whom are so low-level that no foreign dignatory has any business meeting with them. Much less having weekend getaways with them in Bhawalpur farmhouses (YES - we have the nitty gritty details) - tens of millions of US$ was moved to Karachi, from the US to Zardari's crime family, and used to BUY the votes of multiple MPs. These are the very same MP's who then defected. Those defections were then used by the military to push those junior coalition partners in Imran Khan's government to jump ship (I explained in an earlier comment how the military deliberately interfered in the 2018 elections to prevent Imran Khan from getting an outright majority then - THIS is why!) - THAT was the reason why a MILLION people came to Islamabad to protest - BEFORE Imran Khan even mentioned ANYTHING about the US involvement. The bribery was open and rather disgusting. - the diplomatic cable mentioned by many IS real. It DOES exist. Otherwise - answer this - why would the military lodge an Official Secrets Act case and threaten THE THEN prime minister with arrest if he publically disclosed the contents? Mr. Addicted: you're pushing a narrative that has been completely exposed within Pakistan as a pack of outright lies. Its all been exposed and reported upon - in front of 220 MILLION people. The only reason you get to pretend otherwise to a non-Pakistani audience is because nearly all of this investigative reporting was/is in Urdu. And the cherry on top is now this: now - even WITH massive anti-Imran vote rigging and himself removed in a coup d'etat, his party has wiped the floor with the opposition in various by-elections - in areas considered absolute strongholds of that opposition. In a free and fair election - its quite possible that Imran Khan could win 80% of the seats. EIGHTY PERCENT! Stick that in your pipe, and smoke it!
KptMarchewa 4y ago
>BEFORE HE EVEN MENTIONED THE US INVOLVEMENT, he held a number of political rallies, in the last week of his premiership. One such rally resulted in A MILLION PEOPLE coming to Islamabad. It just means his base is rabid, not exactly that he's popular.
- isr 4y ago
  I don't think you quite understand what the term "popular" actually means. "Rabid", in the context that you're using it, applies really well to those who keep trying to push a consistent narrative of: - nothing to see here, move on - just a few agitated locals, who can't count past 10 - the generals are really good chaps at heart - don't mind the fact that they are kidnapping politicians & journalists in broad daylight, and subjecting them to CIA-inspired Abu Ghraib style torture - none of the above in any way confirms that this "deep state" has lost control, and is continuously escalating as it gets continuously desperate Yes, "rabid" does cover that. On the other hand, attracting millions to your rallies, winning by-elections in a landslide DESPITE intensive vote-rigging against you, breaking all sorts of viewership records across all platforms (including tagspaces and twitter trends) ... yes, the term "popular" DOES cover that.

by isr 4y ago

addicted 4y ago

Interesting that you would claim I’m lying while I provide links to prove by numbers while you don’t. The best you have is 2013 numbers to make claims about a 2020+ situation. I don’t think I need to say anything else to prove your lies. What a joke. What reasonable person would point to 2013 numbers to justify their claims about a 2022 election.

jiggawatts 4y ago
It's a vicarious sort of fun to come across a political debate in which I'm a complete outsider with no prior knowledge, no position, and no bias. It's like watching a loud public domestic argument between people you've never seen before and never will again.
isr 4y ago
I'm not sure who you are, and what you're responding to. Perhaps you replied to the wrong comment? My post was in reply to the outright lies pushed by asdajksah2123. But in response to this "gem" of yours later in this thread, to whit: > The most hilarious thing is that a conspiracy theory that Imran Khan created days before he was ousted with absolutely no evidence at all is supposed to be given any value because he lost a no confidence vote. The evidence is actualy pretty damning. I'm just going to give a basic cliff notes version: - the US tried to make a back door deal with the Pak military to give them bases in Pak, post-Afghan withdrawal. In addition to the usual fluff pieces in the NYT pushing this agenda, there was recorded testimony to Congress acknowledging this (all in 2021). - Imran Khan squashed all of this. Since that point, the US had essentially decided to push for a coup in Pakistan. And this coincided nicely with the personal objectives of the other 2 power centers - namely the military high command, and the other 2 main political parties/crime families. Now you had a collusion of interests between scoundrels. Since then: - there were numerous meetings between US officials, and various low-level parliamentarians. All of whom are so low-level that no foreign dignatory has any business meeting with them. Much less having weekend getaways with them in Bhawalpur farmhouses (YES - we have the nitty gritty details) - tens of millions of US$ was moved to Karachi, from the US to Zardari's crime family, and used to BUY the votes of multiple MPs. These are the very same MP's who then defected. Those defections were then used by the military to push those junior coalition partners in Imran Khan's government to jump ship (I explained in an earlier comment how the military deliberately interfered in the 2018 elections to prevent Imran Khan from getting an outright majority then - THIS is why!) - THAT was the reason why a MILLION people came to Islamabad to protest - BEFORE Imran Khan even mentioned ANYTHING about the US involvement. The bribery was open and rather disgusting. - the diplomatic cable mentioned by many IS real. It DOES exist. Otherwise - answer this - why would the military lodge an Official Secrets Act case and threaten THE THEN prime minister with arrest if he publically disclosed the contents? Mr. Addicted: you're pushing a narrative that has been completely exposed within Pakistan as a pack of outright lies. Its all been exposed and reported upon - in front of 220 MILLION people. The only reason you get to pretend otherwise to a non-Pakistani audience is because nearly all of this investigative reporting was/is in Urdu. And the cherry on top is now this: now - even WITH massive anti-Imran vote rigging and himself removed in a coup d'etat, his party has wiped the floor with the opposition in various by-elections - in areas considered absolute strongholds of that opposition. In a free and fair election - its quite possible that Imran Khan could win 80% of the seats. EIGHTY PERCENT! Stick that in your pipe, and smoke it!

KptMarchewa 4y ago

>BEFORE HE EVEN MENTIONED THE US INVOLVEMENT, he held a number of political rallies, in the last week of his premiership. One such rally resulted in A MILLION PEOPLE coming to Islamabad. It just means his base is rabid, not exactly that he's popular.

isr 4y ago
I don't think you quite understand what the term "popular" actually means. "Rabid", in the context that you're using it, applies really well to those who keep trying to push a consistent narrative of: - nothing to see here, move on - just a few agitated locals, who can't count past 10 - the generals are really good chaps at heart - don't mind the fact that they are kidnapping politicians & journalists in broad daylight, and subjecting them to CIA-inspired Abu Ghraib style torture - none of the above in any way confirms that this "deep state" has lost control, and is continuously escalating as it gets continuously desperate Yes, "rabid" does cover that. On the other hand, attracting millions to your rallies, winning by-elections in a landslide DESPITE intensive vote-rigging against you, breaking all sorts of viewership records across all platforms (including tagspaces and twitter trends) ... yes, the term "popular" DOES cover that.