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You're applying a 21st century post-globalization lens to a 18th century world. Sure, today a German is welcome in France or the UK and seen as more or less equ

You're applying a 21st century post-globalization lens to a 18th century world. Sure, today a German is welcome in France or the UK and seen as more or less equal. In the 1700s, there wasn't even a concept of equality for subcultures within a single country, let alone different cultures in different countries. See Scottish/English relations or Parisian/Occitan relations or Flemish/Dutch relations. The fact that people of Anglo-Saxon descent and people of Scots-Irish descent had an equal hand in the early US government was remarkable in and of itself, let alone the fact that the Catholic population in Maryland had equal rights under the law from day one.

throw_m239339 4y ago
> You're applying a 21st century post-globalization lens to a 18th century world. because we're discussing 20th/21st century geopolitics at first place? Of course I am. Pakistan or India didn't exist in the 18th century, in fact these are British constructs. > The fact that people of Anglo-Saxon descent and people of Scots-Irish descent had an equal hand in the early US government was remarkable in and of itself, let alone the fact that the Catholic population in Maryland had equal rights under the law from day one. Yes, fighting against the British empire certainly was an efficient motivator. But still black people and indigenous populations were still left out of what you consider a feat.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > still black people and indigenous populations were still left out of what you consider a feat If we concede no feats have been achieved in human history for not being unblemishingly perfect, sure. Fine. We'll leave the term with religion (and madness). Whatever the next rung of achievement is, the highest one in realm of the possible, America's founding matches it.
- eynsham 4y ago
  The idea of Pakistan was created by Muslim intellectuals, not the British.

throw_m239339 4y ago

> You're applying a 21st century post-globalization lens to a 18th century world. because we're discussing 20th/21st century geopolitics at first place? Of course I am. Pakistan or India didn't exist in the 18th century, in fact these are British constructs. > The fact that people of Anglo-Saxon descent and people of Scots-Irish descent had an equal hand in the early US government was remarkable in and of itself, let alone the fact that the Catholic population in Maryland had equal rights under the law from day one. Yes, fighting against the British empire certainly was an efficient motivator. But still black people and indigenous populations were still left out of what you consider a feat.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> still black people and indigenous populations were still left out of what you consider a feat If we concede no feats have been achieved in human history for not being unblemishingly perfect, sure. Fine. We'll leave the term with religion (and madness). Whatever the next rung of achievement is, the highest one in realm of the possible, America's founding matches it.
eynsham 4y ago
The idea of Pakistan was created by Muslim intellectuals, not the British.