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awesome, I'm reading Applied Cryptography and this will be a good supplement. The MIT OCW course doesn't have a lot of resources http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/elec

awesome, I'm reading Applied Cryptography and this will be a good supplement. The MIT OCW course doesn't have a lot of resources http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-875-cryptography-and-cryptanalysis-spring-2005/index.htm http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput... Does anyone know from the AI course the quality of the lectures & videos?

antoinehersen 15y ago
The AI class is ok, but the lack of programming assignment really impede learning. On the other hand the ML class is great, even the web site is better.
tptacek 15y ago
Applied Cryptography, no matter what Matthew Green may have to say about it, is a terrible book to learn cryptography from. I highly recommend you burn it and instead pick up a copy of Practical Cryptography (or Cryptography Engineering, which is the exact same book). The mark of a good book on a security topic is, you can read it "upside down" and learn how to break things instead of build them.
- DanBC 15y ago
  Frustratingly, there's more than one applied cryptography. There's (obviously) Schneier's book, and then there's this: (http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/ http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/)
  - tptacek 15y ago
    Menezes is "Handbook Of Applied Cryptography", but this was actually a sore point with Schneier back in '98 (I feel like I listened to him complain about it in a bar at Usenix Security). In any case, get Practical Cryptography.
- waterlesscloud 15y ago
  Why is Applied Cryptography a terrible book?
  - tptacek 15y ago
    http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=by%3Atptacek+applied+cryptography http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=by%3Atptace...
    - JoshTriplett 15y ago
      More specifically, the one comment in that search that provides rationale: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=377187 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=377187
      - tptacek 15y ago
        I disagree that it's the only comment with a rationale, but it's a fine example. Writing the same thing about the same subjects over and over again is tiresome, isn't it? (Thank you for taking the time to pick one out though).
  - naner 15y ago
    From the horse's mouth: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/the_cult_of_sch.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/the_cult_of_sc...

antoinehersen 15y ago

The AI class is ok, but the lack of programming assignment really impede learning. On the other hand the ML class is great, even the web site is better.

tptacek 15y ago

Applied Cryptography, no matter what Matthew Green may have to say about it, is a terrible book to learn cryptography from. I highly recommend you burn it and instead pick up a copy of Practical Cryptography (or Cryptography Engineering, which is the exact same book). The mark of a good book on a security topic is, you can read it "upside down" and learn how to break things instead of build them.

DanBC 15y ago
Frustratingly, there's more than one applied cryptography. There's (obviously) Schneier's book, and then there's this: (http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/ http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/)
- tptacek 15y ago
  Menezes is "Handbook Of Applied Cryptography", but this was actually a sore point with Schneier back in '98 (I feel like I listened to him complain about it in a bar at Usenix Security). In any case, get Practical Cryptography.
waterlesscloud 15y ago
Why is Applied Cryptography a terrible book?
- tptacek 15y ago
  http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=by%3Atptacek+applied+cryptography http://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=by%3Atptace...
  - JoshTriplett 15y ago
    More specifically, the one comment in that search that provides rationale: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=377187 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=377187
    - tptacek 15y ago
      I disagree that it's the only comment with a rationale, but it's a fine example. Writing the same thing about the same subjects over and over again is tiresome, isn't it? (Thank you for taking the time to pick one out though).
- naner 15y ago
  From the horse's mouth: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/the_cult_of_sch.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/the_cult_of_sc...