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My biggest worry is that they are going to open NordStream 2 this winter "just to fill the emergency gap" -- and then it never gets closed. I honestly don't kn

by timmg 4y ago

My biggest worry is that they are going to open NordStream 2 this winter "just to fill the emergency gap" -- and then it never gets closed. I honestly don't know how likely that would be.

okr 4y ago
Why is it a worry? That would reduce the cost of living dramatically again.
- timmg 4y ago
  Because I think we need to continue sanctioning Russia for their invasion of Ukraine.
  - okr 4y ago
    Why?
    - timmg 4y ago
      Because murdering people and taking their land is wrong.
- klausjensen 4y ago
  The faster Germany remove the dependency on Russian gas/fossils, the faster it can cut a critical source of income for Russia and their war-machine. A temporary slightly increased cost of living is a cheap price to pay.
  - okr 4y ago
    Slightly? Have you looked at the energy prizes lately? I think the approach, pain now, sustainanble energy and independency of fosssils later, is highly risky. What if the alternatives are not ready for the winter?
    - klausjensen 4y ago
      I pay the high energy prices as well. The alternative is continued financial support of Russia, which feeds their unacceptable invasion of Ukraine, and the murders of civilians and countless war-crimes. Increased energy-prices is a price I am willing to pay. If you prefer supporting Putin to save some money, that is your opinion, which you are free to have.
google234123 4y ago
Honestly, they should open NordStream 2 now and at the same time focus on getting the alternatives online ASAP.
- dubbel 4y ago
  Opening NS2 doesn't make any sense from a German perspective. NS1 is far from being at capacity, the only reason there isn't more gas flowing from Russia to Germany (and subsequently to for example Poland), is Russian state policy. It would only weaken NATOs/EUs strance against the Russian attack against Ukraine. This isn't some supply and demand free market problem, it's political policy on both sides.
arlcode 4y ago
It seems unlikely that Russia would send any meaningful amount of gas anytime soon. Nord Stream 1 is operating at 10% (with a bunch of nonsense given as reasons) and while they wanted NS2 in the beginning, they are now asking for the sanctions to be lifted (which again doesn't make sense from a technical perspective). So opening NS2 would do nothing but give Putin a political win and maybe(!) a trickle of gas

by timmg 4y ago

My biggest worry is that they are going to open NordStream 2 this winter "just to fill the emergency gap" -- and then it never gets closed. I honestly don't know how likely that would be.

okr 4y ago

Why is it a worry? That would reduce the cost of living dramatically again.

timmg 4y ago
Because I think we need to continue sanctioning Russia for their invasion of Ukraine.
- okr 4y ago
  Why?
  - timmg 4y ago
    Because murdering people and taking their land is wrong.
klausjensen 4y ago
The faster Germany remove the dependency on Russian gas/fossils, the faster it can cut a critical source of income for Russia and their war-machine. A temporary slightly increased cost of living is a cheap price to pay.
- okr 4y ago
  Slightly? Have you looked at the energy prizes lately? I think the approach, pain now, sustainanble energy and independency of fosssils later, is highly risky. What if the alternatives are not ready for the winter?
  - klausjensen 4y ago
    I pay the high energy prices as well. The alternative is continued financial support of Russia, which feeds their unacceptable invasion of Ukraine, and the murders of civilians and countless war-crimes. Increased energy-prices is a price I am willing to pay. If you prefer supporting Putin to save some money, that is your opinion, which you are free to have.

google234123 4y ago

Honestly, they should open NordStream 2 now and at the same time focus on getting the alternatives online ASAP.

dubbel 4y ago
Opening NS2 doesn't make any sense from a German perspective. NS1 is far from being at capacity, the only reason there isn't more gas flowing from Russia to Germany (and subsequently to for example Poland), is Russian state policy. It would only weaken NATOs/EUs strance against the Russian attack against Ukraine. This isn't some supply and demand free market problem, it's political policy on both sides.

arlcode 4y ago

It seems unlikely that Russia would send any meaningful amount of gas anytime soon. Nord Stream 1 is operating at 10% (with a bunch of nonsense given as reasons) and while they wanted NS2 in the beginning, they are now asking for the sanctions to be lifted (which again doesn't make sense from a technical perspective). So opening NS2 would do nothing but give Putin a political win and maybe(!) a trickle of gas