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> It's amazing how entitled some people are. How are they entitled? Employment is a business deal. Apple has something the employees want, money, and the emplo

by tharne 4y ago

> It's amazing how entitled some people are. How are they entitled? Employment is a business deal. Apple has something the employees want, money, and the employees have something Apple wants, their labor and know-how. These folks have other options and both they and Apple know it. There's absolutely nothing entitled about using your talent to negotiate an employment situation that suits your lifestyle.

senttoschool 4y ago
>These folks have other options and both they and Apple know it. You can have the most talented folks in the world but if your working culture is not productive, it means nothing. Apple has decided that a return to office should increase productivity. It's likely that they've collected enough data to make this decision. Also, I'm sure Apple has calculated that some people will leave but they're ok with that. They probably want people to quit anyways so they don't have to pay layoff costs.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Based on reports, Apple said nothing about a desire to "increase productivity", but as per Tim Cook, this move is to preserve the "in-person collaboration that is so essential to our culture."
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    That's a nice way of saying productivity. You think Apple would come out and say their productivity has decreased, therefore they need people to return to office? It'd be a huge PR nightmare.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Honestly, I think it's more of a polite way of saying that Apple is a very secrecy-focused organization and they are most comfortable having employees behind lockdown to minimize the possibility of leaks. Regardless of productivity.
illuminerdy 4y ago
When you agreed to be employed at the company, it was under specific terms. Those terms were that you would come to work (physically) X days a week to do your job. You don't just get to change that whenever you feel like it. They're trying to take advantage of a situation that has ended because they feel they can. That's why they're entitled.

by tharne 4y ago

senttoschool 4y ago

>These folks have other options and both they and Apple know it. You can have the most talented folks in the world but if your working culture is not productive, it means nothing. Apple has decided that a return to office should increase productivity. It's likely that they've collected enough data to make this decision. Also, I'm sure Apple has calculated that some people will leave but they're ok with that. They probably want people to quit anyways so they don't have to pay layoff costs.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Based on reports, Apple said nothing about a desire to "increase productivity", but as per Tim Cook, this move is to preserve the "in-person collaboration that is so essential to our culture."
- senttoschool 4y ago
  That's a nice way of saying productivity. You think Apple would come out and say their productivity has decreased, therefore they need people to return to office? It'd be a huge PR nightmare.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Honestly, I think it's more of a polite way of saying that Apple is a very secrecy-focused organization and they are most comfortable having employees behind lockdown to minimize the possibility of leaks. Regardless of productivity.

illuminerdy 4y ago

When you agreed to be employed at the company, it was under specific terms. Those terms were that you would come to work (physically) X days a week to do your job. You don't just get to change that whenever you feel like it. They're trying to take advantage of a situation that has ended because they feel they can. That's why they're entitled.