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It’s the opposite of exciting if art is your job, lemme tell you.

by egypturnash 4y ago

boredemployee 4y ago
Yep. I'm glad that didn't hit other spaces, like music, _yet_
- zone411 4y ago
  Check out the melodies I made with an AI assistant I created (human-in-the-loop still but much quicker than if I tried to come up with them from the scratch): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578YO4qa1NTkmMi4 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578Y.... There are also good AI tools for other parts of making music, like singing voice generation.
- astrange 4y ago
  Sampling has been part of music for a few decades now. That presents all the copyright issues you could want.
fezfight 4y ago
Kinda like the creation of copilot and it's ilk for programmers, and gpt3 for writers. Ive seen some talk recently around 'prompt engineers'... Probably to some extent, every job will become prompt engineering in some way. Eventually I suppose the AIs will also do the prompts. At which point I hope we've all agreed to a star trek utopia, or it's gonna get real bad. Or maybe it'll get way better.
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I think right now we could setup the AI's to do the prompts. You type in a vague description - "gorilla in a suit" and that is passed to GPT-3's API with instructions to provide a detailed and vivid description of the input in X style where X is one of several different styles. GPT-3 generates multiple prompts, the prompts passed to Stable Diffusion, the user gets back a grid of different images and styles. Selecting an image on the results grid prompts for variation, possibly of the prompt and the images.
  - astrange 4y ago
    Stable Diffusion already includes a GPT-type language model - that's what's understanding your text prompt.
    - efskap 4y ago
      Sure it's a similar architecture but c'mon, 307 million learnable params for ViT-L vs 175 billion for GPT-3...
- egypturnash 4y ago
  Yeah, if we're gonna replace every fucking profession with a half-assed good-enough AI version, what're we even here for? We're sure not all gonna survive in a capitalist society where you have to create some kind of "value" to earn enough money to pay for your roof and your food and your power. IIRC there is some vague "it sure got real bad" somewhere in the Trek timelines between "capitalism ended" and "post-scarcity utopia" and I sure am not looking forwards to living through those times. Well, I'm looking forwards to part of that, I'm looking forwards to the part where we murder a lot of landlords and rent-seekers and CEOs and distribute their wealth. That'll be good.
  - bottlepalm 4y ago
    Next let's get rid of all the artists and replace them with AI. Redistribute their skills so we can all make art. Oh wait that just happened. You're a hypocrite that wants to redistribute the wealth of others, but not your own. Also joking about murdering people is bad taste and not how you convey a point or win an argument. Very low class.
    - egypturnash 4y ago
      - bottlepalm 4y ago
        Yes all the automation related uprising over the past hundred years. Oh wait there weren't any. You live in a fantasy land.
        trention 4y ago
        There weren't "uprisings" mostly because the destroyed jobs were replaced with others that paid better and were less "dangerous". There were some local minima (Detroit auto workers) where this happen only partially and we know the pathology this led to. Is this replacement of jobs happening this time around? No. So violence there will be.
      - 4y ago
grandmczeb 4y ago
Depends on your perspective I guess. The visual artists I know are super excited about AI art.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
I have a friend who works as an artist and he's excited and nervous about this. But also he's trying to learn how to use these well. If you try these AI out, there's definitely an art to writing good prompts that gets what you actually want. Hopefully these AI will become just another brush in the artist's palette rather than a replacement. I hope these end up similar to the relationship between Google and programming. We all know the jokes about "I don't really know how to code, I just know how to Google things". But using a search engine efficiently is a very real skill with a large gap between those who know how and those who don't.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  Replying to myself because I just had a chat with him about this. He's thinking of getting a high end GPU now, lol. Some ideas of how this could be useful in the future to assist artists: Quickly fleshing out design mockups/concepts is the obvious first one that you can do right now. An AI stamp generator. Say you're working on a digital painting of a flower field. You click the AI menu, "Stamp", a textbox opens up and you type "Monarch butterfly. Facing viewer. Monet style painting." And you get a selection of ai generated images to stamp into your painting. Fill by AI. Sketch the details of a house, select the Fill tool, select AI, click inside one of the walls of the house, a textbox pops up, you write "pre-war New York brick wall with yellow spray painted graffiti"
- emporas 4y ago
  I have a friend who paints, google/ athanasart. His paintings are usually purchased before they are even finished, and sometimes even stolen. All of that technology, Dalle2, Disco diffusion, Stable Diffusion, is totally boring to him. He doesn't even care. He will not install this technology to his machine, or use it online, even if he is paid to do it. I love Craiyon, Dalle2, Stable Diffusion, but just beautiful images, are not art.
  - Yntec 4y ago
    > but just beautiful images, are not art. But the definition of art can't depend on your knowledge of how was it made. I can show you two beautiful pictures and ask you if any of them is art, and you'd know I was trying to trick you. But you could pass a piece made by an AI as art if you didn't know how it was produced.
mkaic 4y ago
(OP here) I agree. I am an artist (not by trade but by lifelong obsession) in several different mediums, but also an AI engineer--so I feel a weird mixture of emotions tbh. I'm thrilled and excited but also terrified lol.
- egypturnash 4y ago
  It's my fucking job. I've spent my whole fucking life getting good at drawing. I can probably manage to keep finding work but I am really not happy about what this is going to do to that place where a young artist is right at the threshold of being good enough to make it their job. Because once you're spending most of your days doing a thing, you start getting better at it a lot faster. And every place this shit gets used is a lost opportunity for an artist to get paid to do something. I wanna fucking punch everyone involved in this thing.
  - redavni 4y ago
    Eh...the countdown to Photoshop and Blender integrating AI support has already started.
    - egypturnash 4y ago
      I wanna punch everyone involved in that, too. Admittedly as someone who's been subscribing to Creative Cloud for a while I already wanna punch a lot of people at Adobe so the people working on this particular part of Photoshop are gonna have to get in line.
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    I mean I get what you're saying, sucks to have someone or something take your job, but isn't this a neo-luddite type argument? AI is gonna come for us all eventually.
    - egypturnash 4y ago
      Please save this comment and re-read it when a new development in AI suddenly goes from "this is cute" to "holy fuck my job feels obsolete and the motherfuckers doing it are not gonna give a single thought to all the people they're putting out of work". Thank you.
fithisux 4y ago
AI will just replace existing jobs. It is unethical since a lot of people will be destroyed but our leaders sponsored by the majority's insatiable appetite for power will soon make it legal. AI is a new tool that will automate away a lot of workers like other machines. What happens with these workers is what defines us.
- boredemployee 4y ago
  And there are a lot of influencers saying that it will be "really nice that AI will replace the boring jobs so we can focus on creative/fulfilling life" yeah right...
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    Ironically, with Moravec's Paradox, (digital) creative tasks will probably be automated while the boring tasks of moving boxes around might not be for a while: > Moravec's paradox is the observation by artificial intelligence and robotics researchers that, contrary to traditional assumptions, reasoning requires very little computation, but sensorimotor and perception skills require enormous computational resources. The principle was articulated by Hans Moravec, Rodney Brooks, Marvin Minsky and others in the 1980s. Moravec wrote in 1988, "it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old when it comes to perception and mobility". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox

It’s the opposite of exciting if art is your job, lemme tell you.

boredemployee 4y ago

Yep. I'm glad that didn't hit other spaces, like music, _yet_

zone411 4y ago
Check out the melodies I made with an AI assistant I created (human-in-the-loop still but much quicker than if I tried to come up with them from the scratch): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578YO4qa1NTkmMi4 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578Y.... There are also good AI tools for other parts of making music, like singing voice generation.
astrange 4y ago
Sampling has been part of music for a few decades now. That presents all the copyright issues you could want.

fezfight 4y ago

Kinda like the creation of copilot and it's ilk for programmers, and gpt3 for writers. Ive seen some talk recently around 'prompt engineers'... Probably to some extent, every job will become prompt engineering in some way. Eventually I suppose the AIs will also do the prompts. At which point I hope we've all agreed to a star trek utopia, or it's gonna get real bad. Or maybe it'll get way better.

ALittleLight 4y ago
I think right now we could setup the AI's to do the prompts. You type in a vague description - "gorilla in a suit" and that is passed to GPT-3's API with instructions to provide a detailed and vivid description of the input in X style where X is one of several different styles. GPT-3 generates multiple prompts, the prompts passed to Stable Diffusion, the user gets back a grid of different images and styles. Selecting an image on the results grid prompts for variation, possibly of the prompt and the images.
- astrange 4y ago
  Stable Diffusion already includes a GPT-type language model - that's what's understanding your text prompt.
  - efskap 4y ago
    Sure it's a similar architecture but c'mon, 307 million learnable params for ViT-L vs 175 billion for GPT-3...
egypturnash 4y ago
Yeah, if we're gonna replace every fucking profession with a half-assed good-enough AI version, what're we even here for? We're sure not all gonna survive in a capitalist society where you have to create some kind of "value" to earn enough money to pay for your roof and your food and your power. IIRC there is some vague "it sure got real bad" somewhere in the Trek timelines between "capitalism ended" and "post-scarcity utopia" and I sure am not looking forwards to living through those times. Well, I'm looking forwards to part of that, I'm looking forwards to the part where we murder a lot of landlords and rent-seekers and CEOs and distribute their wealth. That'll be good.
- bottlepalm 4y ago
  Next let's get rid of all the artists and replace them with AI. Redistribute their skills so we can all make art. Oh wait that just happened. You're a hypocrite that wants to redistribute the wealth of others, but not your own. Also joking about murdering people is bad taste and not how you convey a point or win an argument. Very low class.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    - bottlepalm 4y ago
      Yes all the automation related uprising over the past hundred years. Oh wait there weren't any. You live in a fantasy land.
      - trention 4y ago
        There weren't "uprisings" mostly because the destroyed jobs were replaced with others that paid better and were less "dangerous". There were some local minima (Detroit auto workers) where this happen only partially and we know the pathology this led to. Is this replacement of jobs happening this time around? No. So violence there will be.
    - 4y ago

grandmczeb 4y ago

Depends on your perspective I guess. The visual artists I know are super excited about AI art.

squeaky-clean 4y ago

I have a friend who works as an artist and he's excited and nervous about this. But also he's trying to learn how to use these well. If you try these AI out, there's definitely an art to writing good prompts that gets what you actually want. Hopefully these AI will become just another brush in the artist's palette rather than a replacement. I hope these end up similar to the relationship between Google and programming. We all know the jokes about "I don't really know how to code, I just know how to Google things". But using a search engine efficiently is a very real skill with a large gap between those who know how and those who don't.

squeaky-clean 4y ago
Replying to myself because I just had a chat with him about this. He's thinking of getting a high end GPU now, lol. Some ideas of how this could be useful in the future to assist artists: Quickly fleshing out design mockups/concepts is the obvious first one that you can do right now. An AI stamp generator. Say you're working on a digital painting of a flower field. You click the AI menu, "Stamp", a textbox opens up and you type "Monarch butterfly. Facing viewer. Monet style painting." And you get a selection of ai generated images to stamp into your painting. Fill by AI. Sketch the details of a house, select the Fill tool, select AI, click inside one of the walls of the house, a textbox pops up, you write "pre-war New York brick wall with yellow spray painted graffiti"
emporas 4y ago
I have a friend who paints, google/ athanasart. His paintings are usually purchased before they are even finished, and sometimes even stolen. All of that technology, Dalle2, Disco diffusion, Stable Diffusion, is totally boring to him. He doesn't even care. He will not install this technology to his machine, or use it online, even if he is paid to do it. I love Craiyon, Dalle2, Stable Diffusion, but just beautiful images, are not art.
- Yntec 4y ago
  > but just beautiful images, are not art. But the definition of art can't depend on your knowledge of how was it made. I can show you two beautiful pictures and ask you if any of them is art, and you'd know I was trying to trick you. But you could pass a piece made by an AI as art if you didn't know how it was produced.

mkaic 4y ago

(OP here) I agree. I am an artist (not by trade but by lifelong obsession) in several different mediums, but also an AI engineer--so I feel a weird mixture of emotions tbh. I'm thrilled and excited but also terrified lol.

egypturnash 4y ago
It's my fucking job. I've spent my whole fucking life getting good at drawing. I can probably manage to keep finding work but I am really not happy about what this is going to do to that place where a young artist is right at the threshold of being good enough to make it their job. Because once you're spending most of your days doing a thing, you start getting better at it a lot faster. And every place this shit gets used is a lost opportunity for an artist to get paid to do something. I wanna fucking punch everyone involved in this thing.
- redavni 4y ago
  Eh...the countdown to Photoshop and Blender integrating AI support has already started.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    I wanna punch everyone involved in that, too. Admittedly as someone who's been subscribing to Creative Cloud for a while I already wanna punch a lot of people at Adobe so the people working on this particular part of Photoshop are gonna have to get in line.
- cercatrova 4y ago
  I mean I get what you're saying, sucks to have someone or something take your job, but isn't this a neo-luddite type argument? AI is gonna come for us all eventually.
  - egypturnash 4y ago
    Please save this comment and re-read it when a new development in AI suddenly goes from "this is cute" to "holy fuck my job feels obsolete and the motherfuckers doing it are not gonna give a single thought to all the people they're putting out of work". Thank you.

fithisux 4y ago

AI will just replace existing jobs. It is unethical since a lot of people will be destroyed but our leaders sponsored by the majority's insatiable appetite for power will soon make it legal. AI is a new tool that will automate away a lot of workers like other machines. What happens with these workers is what defines us.

boredemployee 4y ago
And there are a lot of influencers saying that it will be "really nice that AI will replace the boring jobs so we can focus on creative/fulfilling life" yeah right...
- cercatrova 4y ago
  Ironically, with Moravec's Paradox, (digital) creative tasks will probably be automated while the boring tasks of moving boxes around might not be for a while: > Moravec's paradox is the observation by artificial intelligence and robotics researchers that, contrary to traditional assumptions, reasoning requires very little computation, but sensorimotor and perception skills require enormous computational resources. The principle was articulated by Hans Moravec, Rodney Brooks, Marvin Minsky and others in the 1980s. Moravec wrote in 1988, "it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers, and difficult or impossible to give them the skills of a one-year-old when it comes to perception and mobility". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox