> On a private road (my example) at low speeds <15mph, it seems acceptable to me, especially with older kids (not talking about <7 or so). This is quite common

> On a private road (my example) at low speeds <15mph, it seems acceptable to me, especially with older kids (not talking about <7 or so). This is quite common in some areas and really shouldn't be a safety issue. OK, so that's an anecdote entirely unrelated to the question at hand regarding child seats. > With fewer laws, those determinations are left up to the individual. With more laws, society is making that determination and imposing it via force (criminal laws), removing the person's discretion. I think this ignores edge cases, and leads to more people feeling ostracized, powerless over their own life, and oppressed by the masses. Well unfortunately for them they are responsible for another human being. It's not just their own self interest in question, and when the other party can't effectively advocate for itself it only makes sense to create minimum standards of care.