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There is a difference between ads and graffiti. One is voluntary and the other is not. Also, in places like California no one is going to jail for graffiti. >

There is a difference between ads and graffiti. One is voluntary and the other is not. Also, in places like California no one is going to jail for graffiti. > Deforestation, acid oceans, wars for oil, kayfabe geopolitics, the anthropocene extinction, and all the other shit you'll never hear about on corporate news - they have the same root cause, which I think can be called late-stage capitalism Thats an assertion you believe in. China has roughly 1/6th the global population, is communist controlled and has the same issues.

sophacles 4y ago
Imagine believing china isn't a capitalist country. I know their party is called "communist" but you can slap any label on anything. Next you'll probably try to tell me north korea is democratic because it's in the name. Or McD's all-beef patties are 100% dead cow.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  > Imagine believing china isn't a capitalist country Funnily, your sibling comment is praising China for being communist. So, what is China? Is it communist when good and capitalist when bad? The reality is communism always in life ALWAYS devolves to corrupt capitalism or a dictatorship and yet advocates and fans believe irrationally that next time will be different due to "reasons."
  - Brian_K_White 4y ago
    The reality is, so does capitalism. So does anything in pure forms. The reality is neither socialism nor capitalism are valid on their own, you need both. Observing any given real problem that either process has, and concluding the solution is simply the opposite, is stupid. Corrupt capitalism is simply capitalism without anything else to dilute and aim it.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    Are you really saying a different comment written by a different person is something i should defend? In that case: i once read (in a different thread on a different site) that china has an emperor. Checkmate.
mandmandam 4y ago
> There is a difference between ads and graffiti. One is voluntary and the other is not. To the one person who legally owns that space, there is that difference. To literally everybody else, the difference is that one is trying to make me buy some stupid shit, and one is trying to capture my interest by artistic merit. > Thats an assertion you believe in. China has roughly 1/6th the global population, is communist controlled and has the same issues. Oh? How many wars did China start for oil in the past 20 years? Did they spend 6 trillion dollars on interest alone for illegal "wars on terror"? Are they trending down, or up? How's their manufacturing base? ... And who exactly are they exporting all their cheap goods to, in a very capitalist manner? And - please digest this fully - just because our late-stage capitalism has a hand in the issues I named, for us, that doesn't mean that I support China, or communism. That's so clearly a false dichotomy. I think it's an example of an artificial talking point, created by cynical think-tanks and spread by corporate media.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  > To the one person who legally owns that space, there is that difference. Thats all that matters. Art is relative. Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to buy stuff. > Oh? How many wars did China start for oil in the past 20 years? 20 is an arbitrary number. Look at Tibet, Indo-China wars, Uyghur suppression. I think we should revisit that statement when China acquires a blue water navy. > that doesn't mean that I support China, or communism No one said that. If you say only X is responsible for Y, then you should then explain why Z (where, X!=Z) is also causing Y. X=capitalism Y=horrors, real and imagined Z=communism

sophacles 4y ago

Imagine believing china isn't a capitalist country. I know their party is called "communist" but you can slap any label on anything. Next you'll probably try to tell me north korea is democratic because it's in the name. Or McD's all-beef patties are 100% dead cow.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> Imagine believing china isn't a capitalist country Funnily, your sibling comment is praising China for being communist. So, what is China? Is it communist when good and capitalist when bad? The reality is communism always in life ALWAYS devolves to corrupt capitalism or a dictatorship and yet advocates and fans believe irrationally that next time will be different due to "reasons."
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  The reality is, so does capitalism. So does anything in pure forms. The reality is neither socialism nor capitalism are valid on their own, you need both. Observing any given real problem that either process has, and concluding the solution is simply the opposite, is stupid. Corrupt capitalism is simply capitalism without anything else to dilute and aim it.
- sophacles 4y ago
  Are you really saying a different comment written by a different person is something i should defend? In that case: i once read (in a different thread on a different site) that china has an emperor. Checkmate.

mandmandam 4y ago

> There is a difference between ads and graffiti. One is voluntary and the other is not. To the one person who legally owns that space, there is that difference. To literally everybody else, the difference is that one is trying to make me buy some stupid shit, and one is trying to capture my interest by artistic merit. > Thats an assertion you believe in. China has roughly 1/6th the global population, is communist controlled and has the same issues. Oh? How many wars did China start for oil in the past 20 years? Did they spend 6 trillion dollars on interest alone for illegal "wars on terror"? Are they trending down, or up? How's their manufacturing base? ... And who exactly are they exporting all their cheap goods to, in a very capitalist manner? And - please digest this fully - just because our late-stage capitalism has a hand in the issues I named, for us, that doesn't mean that I support China, or communism. That's so clearly a false dichotomy. I think it's an example of an artificial talking point, created by cynical think-tanks and spread by corporate media.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> To the one person who legally owns that space, there is that difference. Thats all that matters. Art is relative. Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to buy stuff. > Oh? How many wars did China start for oil in the past 20 years? 20 is an arbitrary number. Look at Tibet, Indo-China wars, Uyghur suppression. I think we should revisit that statement when China acquires a blue water navy. > that doesn't mean that I support China, or communism No one said that. If you say only X is responsible for Y, then you should then explain why Z (where, X!=Z) is also causing Y. X=capitalism Y=horrors, real and imagined Z=communism