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Hey, this looks great, thanks for working on it! I'm the creator of Mapzy[0], an open-source and self-hostable store finder. We're trying to focus on privacy as

by shafyy 4y ago

Hey, this looks great, thanks for working on it! I'm the creator of Mapzy[0], an open-source and self-hostable store finder. We're trying to focus on privacy as much as possible, but currently use Mapbox since it's better than Google Maps and we didn't find any other alternatives. Do you think Headway could be a replacement for us? We currently use the Mapbox JS library to create the pins etc. - could we use Headway with Leaflet JS for example? We also use the Mapbox geocoder, mainly for reverse geocoding of addresses. How does Headway's geocoder compare? 0: https://github.com/mapzy/mapzy/ https://github.com/mapzy/mapzy/

Bedon292 4y ago
Have you looked into Nominatim [1] for reverse geocoding? [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim
- ellenhp 4y ago
  Nominatim requires a lot of resources for full planet installs. I'd recommend looking into Pelias or Photon instead. They're both amazing. Headway has used both of them at various points. Photon is definitely easier to set up for the planet, though, you can just download a pre-computed search index from GraphHopper and you're good to go.
- shafyy 4y ago
  I haven't. Thanks for the recommendation!
jutaz 4y ago
I’d recommend taking a look at Maplibre GL JS[0], which is a fully open source map library. It was forked from Mapbox GL JS just before licence change, therefore it’s also fully compatible with the style spec etc. It’s also actively maintained and has a strong community behind it. 0: https://github.com/maplibre/maplibre-gl-js https://github.com/maplibre/maplibre-gl-js
- twelvechairs 4y ago
  If you are in this space deck.gl [0] is well worth cehcking out. It does scale at speed, 3d (more kinds), motion and effects extremely well. [0] https://deck.gl/ https://deck.gl/
- shafyy 4y ago
  Thanks, I'll check it out!
bearjaws 4y ago
We're in the same boat using Mapbox, we've been debating leaving for the OpenStreetMaps container since we only use them for static images and map display. https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server Our bill last year was $80k and honestly its right on the cusp of being worth the effort to switch.
- gardnr 4y ago
  > Our bill last year was $80k You might be able to pay someone from the project to help you switch. A nice way to give back and it will probably be a smoother transition.
ellenhp 4y ago
Headway was designed more for consumer use-cases than anything else. There's been some talk of adding the ability to customize it in the future but I don't have time for that because I need to focus on the basics first. You could fork it though, or just use some of the data automation (respecting the Apache 2.0 license). I replied to a child comment here but my recommendations for geocoding would be Pelias or Photon, and I like maplibre-gl-js. You can (should!) use planetiler for generating your mbtiles files and I've had generally good experiences with tileserver-gl-light, but many people recommend using PMTiles instead. It kind of just depends what your requirements are. For privacy-first stuff like Headway I can't require that people make requests out to S3 or Cloudflare, it has to be self-hostable which means a traditional tileserver is the only way to go.
- shafyy 4y ago
  Thanks for the info! I'll look into your recommendations.
petre 4y ago
Try MapTiler. It works fine with what you're using. For geocoding, I dunno, we run our own show.
- shafyy 4y ago
  Thanks! MapTiler looks great, but a bit on the pricey side for our use case.
  - petre 4y ago
    We picked it specifically because Mapbox was too expensive. We pay like between 20 and 30 euros each month for tens of thousands of transactions. You can also buy tile sets and serve your own vector tiles, but it isn't worth the hassle for us.
    - shafyy 4y ago
      Have you ever compared it to https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server ?
      - petre 4y ago
        No. We no longer want to bother with monthly updates and the overhead of maintaining our own tile server over <30€/month. We tried to make our own raster tile server several years before vector tiles were a thing, using tilecache, then tilestache and just gave up because of the storage and hardware requirements. Plus there's a lot of work involved in customizing your maps - we didn't want to show the standard OSM map built for mappers in mind but a transport oriented map for fleet tracking. MapTiler has almost everything we want except good Africa coverage.
        shafyy 4y ago
        Makes sense, thanks for your explanation.
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Bedon292 4y ago

Have you looked into Nominatim [1] for reverse geocoding? [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim

ellenhp 4y ago
Nominatim requires a lot of resources for full planet installs. I'd recommend looking into Pelias or Photon instead. They're both amazing. Headway has used both of them at various points. Photon is definitely easier to set up for the planet, though, you can just download a pre-computed search index from GraphHopper and you're good to go.
shafyy 4y ago
I haven't. Thanks for the recommendation!

jutaz 4y ago

I’d recommend taking a look at Maplibre GL JS[0], which is a fully open source map library. It was forked from Mapbox GL JS just before licence change, therefore it’s also fully compatible with the style spec etc. It’s also actively maintained and has a strong community behind it. 0: https://github.com/maplibre/maplibre-gl-js https://github.com/maplibre/maplibre-gl-js

twelvechairs 4y ago
If you are in this space deck.gl [0] is well worth cehcking out. It does scale at speed, 3d (more kinds), motion and effects extremely well. [0] https://deck.gl/ https://deck.gl/
shafyy 4y ago
Thanks, I'll check it out!

bearjaws 4y ago

We're in the same boat using Mapbox, we've been debating leaving for the OpenStreetMaps container since we only use them for static images and map display. https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server Our bill last year was $80k and honestly its right on the cusp of being worth the effort to switch.

gardnr 4y ago
> Our bill last year was $80k You might be able to pay someone from the project to help you switch. A nice way to give back and it will probably be a smoother transition.

ellenhp 4y ago

Headway was designed more for consumer use-cases than anything else. There's been some talk of adding the ability to customize it in the future but I don't have time for that because I need to focus on the basics first. You could fork it though, or just use some of the data automation (respecting the Apache 2.0 license). I replied to a child comment here but my recommendations for geocoding would be Pelias or Photon, and I like maplibre-gl-js. You can (should!) use planetiler for generating your mbtiles files and I've had generally good experiences with tileserver-gl-light, but many people recommend using PMTiles instead. It kind of just depends what your requirements are. For privacy-first stuff like Headway I can't require that people make requests out to S3 or Cloudflare, it has to be self-hostable which means a traditional tileserver is the only way to go.

shafyy 4y ago
Thanks for the info! I'll look into your recommendations.

petre 4y ago

Try MapTiler. It works fine with what you're using. For geocoding, I dunno, we run our own show.

shafyy 4y ago
Thanks! MapTiler looks great, but a bit on the pricey side for our use case.
- petre 4y ago
  We picked it specifically because Mapbox was too expensive. We pay like between 20 and 30 euros each month for tens of thousands of transactions. You can also buy tile sets and serve your own vector tiles, but it isn't worth the hassle for us.
  - shafyy 4y ago
    Have you ever compared it to https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server https://github.com/Overv/openstreetmap-tile-server ?
    - petre 4y ago
      No. We no longer want to bother with monthly updates and the overhead of maintaining our own tile server over <30€/month. We tried to make our own raster tile server several years before vector tiles were a thing, using tilecache, then tilestache and just gave up because of the storage and hardware requirements. Plus there's a lot of work involved in customizing your maps - we didn't want to show the standard OSM map built for mappers in mind but a transport oriented map for fleet tracking. MapTiler has almost everything we want except good Africa coverage.
      - shafyy 4y ago
        Makes sense, thanks for your explanation.
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