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> you should stop! Those emails are not meant for marketing. The vast majority of email addresses are not meant for marketing. Marketing people could not give

> you should stop! Those emails are not meant for marketing. The vast majority of email addresses are not meant for marketing. Marketing people could not give a toss about this fact, and most of them are impervious to calls for empathy so pleading them to stop them going whatever they want is a waste of breath/typing.

Justsignedup 4y ago
To add: they do this because it works. Cold-calls are how salespeople make the big $$$.
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  Do they? A the big money is B2B and cold calling seems super ineffective because I get 10-20 people a week pitching me stuff none of them realizing I am a low level IC that has 2 levels between me and anyone that can approve anything, and those people sure as hell ain't listening to me, otherwise we wouldn't have migrated our HR system to Oracle cloud (and had all our vacation time suddenly disappear). The only time a cold caller ever got anywhere was when I worked with him in a previous capacity and he reached out to me as the salesperson for a product we were already evaluating and considering, and at that point he really just came in to do a demo.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  How do you addict a rat to pushing a button? Random rewards. How do you addict a salescritter to spamming and cold-calling?
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  To move the expected value of cold calls closer to negative, isn't every person who is annoyed by a cold call morally obligated to give the caller the maximum amount of abuse?
buscoquadnary 4y ago
And people wonder why I have a pathological disdain for marketing folks. They focus on style over substance, flash over function, and to them nothing shouldn't be done to chase the almighty dollar. Sure there are good honest reputable people out there, but every time I find out someone works in marketing I always lose a little bit of respect for them. And do not give me that bull crap about how "well we just help inform consumers of their choices and raise awarness." That may have been true 50 years ago when the whole family would gather around a radio to tune in to the lone ranger, but these days I probably have an email in my inbox for a company that has the flipping cure for cancer, but I will never know because marketing parasites grab every channel of communication they can find and saturate to the point of uselessness and we end right back up where we were before where the only information I trust is information from people I personally know. So congratulations marketing you've managed to regress society back to the point where my best bet for finding something to solve my problem is consulting the village elder. Engineers get blasted all the time for building crap that is bad, just check out the other thread on spyware that was posted, how about we start holding these marketing con artists accountable for the sh* they sell then.
- belfalas 4y ago
  > And people wonder why I have a pathological disdain for marketing folks. For your Monday catharsis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    These are very cathartic as well: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuSOaenJ4rbROEqpAew6ULXJfK4m__lgS https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuSOaenJ4rbROEqpAew6ULXJf...
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    I knew what that was before clicking. Clicked anyway.
    - ChumpTheMasses 4y ago
User23 4y ago
It's not that they lack empathy. They're well aware of how annoying unsolicited marketing is. They just don't care.

Justsignedup 4y ago

To add: they do this because it works. Cold-calls are how salespeople make the big $$$.

buscoquadnary 4y ago
Do they? A the big money is B2B and cold calling seems super ineffective because I get 10-20 people a week pitching me stuff none of them realizing I am a low level IC that has 2 levels between me and anyone that can approve anything, and those people sure as hell ain't listening to me, otherwise we wouldn't have migrated our HR system to Oracle cloud (and had all our vacation time suddenly disappear). The only time a cold caller ever got anywhere was when I worked with him in a previous capacity and he reached out to me as the salesperson for a product we were already evaluating and considering, and at that point he really just came in to do a demo.
dsr_ 4y ago
How do you addict a rat to pushing a button? Random rewards. How do you addict a salescritter to spamming and cold-calling?
ThePadawan 4y ago
To move the expected value of cold calls closer to negative, isn't every person who is annoyed by a cold call morally obligated to give the caller the maximum amount of abuse?

buscoquadnary 4y ago

And people wonder why I have a pathological disdain for marketing folks. They focus on style over substance, flash over function, and to them nothing shouldn't be done to chase the almighty dollar. Sure there are good honest reputable people out there, but every time I find out someone works in marketing I always lose a little bit of respect for them. And do not give me that bull crap about how "well we just help inform consumers of their choices and raise awarness." That may have been true 50 years ago when the whole family would gather around a radio to tune in to the lone ranger, but these days I probably have an email in my inbox for a company that has the flipping cure for cancer, but I will never know because marketing parasites grab every channel of communication they can find and saturate to the point of uselessness and we end right back up where we were before where the only information I trust is information from people I personally know. So congratulations marketing you've managed to regress society back to the point where my best bet for finding something to solve my problem is consulting the village elder. Engineers get blasted all the time for building crap that is bad, just check out the other thread on spyware that was posted, how about we start holding these marketing con artists accountable for the sh* they sell then.

belfalas 4y ago
> And people wonder why I have a pathological disdain for marketing folks. For your Monday catharsis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHEOGrkhDp0
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  These are very cathartic as well: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuSOaenJ4rbROEqpAew6ULXJfK4m__lgS https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuSOaenJ4rbROEqpAew6ULXJf...
- jacquesm 4y ago
  I knew what that was before clicking. Clicked anyway.
  - ChumpTheMasses 4y ago

User23 4y ago

It's not that they lack empathy. They're well aware of how annoying unsolicited marketing is. They just don't care.