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> I have resources and method to address this stuff for myself but I don't have any ideas to address it societally. I'll give one 'hot take': women have gone t

> I have resources and method to address this stuff for myself but I don't have any ideas to address it societally. I'll give one 'hot take': women have gone to work, now both women and men are miserable. It used to be that a man would go to work, sure work oftentimes isn't great, but you'd come home to a wife and kids who don't know that world, whom you've protected from the 101 harsh realities of life. There'd be a balance. Man works hard, comes home, gets the reward, everyday. Woman works hard at home, gets to not be exposed to 101 harsh realities of life, feels fulfilled, seeing her children grow up. Not anymore. We're going extinct folks - because who the fuck wants to do anything after a few years in corporate America, knowing you're stuck for the next 40 years, without a heaven (religion is done), a peaceful home, a better future for your kids, a community to be a part of? We've paperclip maximized our humanity in favor of more stuff, so much so that we now optimize stuff to be worse, so that it breaks, so that we buy it again, so that we get to make and sell more paperclips, increasing GDP. Oh my god, you people are fucking nuts!

bobkazamakis 4y ago
>I'll give one 'hot take': women have gone to work, now both women and men are miserable. Famously, before women could vote and work, they never experienced emotion. Very hot and enlightened take from someone who clearly knows a lot about women.
- goldenchrome 4y ago
  Eh my wife largely agrees with the take and she worked in tech. I have female friends in tech who are trying to exit the workplace too.
  - nineplay 4y ago
    Your wife would prefer to live in blissful ignorance? That's extraordinary.
    - goldenchrome 4y ago
      Cut it out with the sarcasm. It’s not about blissful ignorance, it’s about avoiding an unhealthy environment.
nineplay 4y ago
> Woman works hard at home, gets to not be exposed to 101 harsh realities of life, feels fulfilled, seeing her children grow up. 'harsh realities of life' is - working at an office? Sitting at your computer reading HN? Your view of harsh realities is pretty off-base. Your view of harsh realities is especially off-base if you think that housewives are happily innocent of them. The most horrific harsh realities happen in homes, the abuses and assaults and neglects. Do you truly imagine that women weren't aware of what was going on in their neighborhoods, with their friends, with the kids?
- antiverse 4y ago
- didericis 4y ago
  I think these types of comments are the root cause of unhappiness more than anything else. You bring up a valid point. So does OP. But you’re coming from such different angles that neither of you probably feels like the other really “gets” your point of view. Or if there is an understanding, there’s still a lack of any real sense of motive and context. Every single possible direction you might want to go in life or opinion or dream you might have has someone from a completely different context piping in and telling you to go the complete opposite direction for perfectly valid reasons. Online forums are simply too big, too impersonal, and too varied to give people that sense of connectedness they’re craving. They remove essential shared context and make most people feel unheard, which has bad mental health effects.
antiverse 4y ago

bobkazamakis 4y ago

>I'll give one 'hot take': women have gone to work, now both women and men are miserable. Famously, before women could vote and work, they never experienced emotion. Very hot and enlightened take from someone who clearly knows a lot about women.

goldenchrome 4y ago
Eh my wife largely agrees with the take and she worked in tech. I have female friends in tech who are trying to exit the workplace too.
- nineplay 4y ago
  Your wife would prefer to live in blissful ignorance? That's extraordinary.
  - goldenchrome 4y ago
    Cut it out with the sarcasm. It’s not about blissful ignorance, it’s about avoiding an unhealthy environment.

nineplay 4y ago

> Woman works hard at home, gets to not be exposed to 101 harsh realities of life, feels fulfilled, seeing her children grow up. 'harsh realities of life' is - working at an office? Sitting at your computer reading HN? Your view of harsh realities is pretty off-base. Your view of harsh realities is especially off-base if you think that housewives are happily innocent of them. The most horrific harsh realities happen in homes, the abuses and assaults and neglects. Do you truly imagine that women weren't aware of what was going on in their neighborhoods, with their friends, with the kids?

antiverse 4y ago
didericis 4y ago
I think these types of comments are the root cause of unhappiness more than anything else. You bring up a valid point. So does OP. But you’re coming from such different angles that neither of you probably feels like the other really “gets” your point of view. Or if there is an understanding, there’s still a lack of any real sense of motive and context. Every single possible direction you might want to go in life or opinion or dream you might have has someone from a completely different context piping in and telling you to go the complete opposite direction for perfectly valid reasons. Online forums are simply too big, too impersonal, and too varied to give people that sense of connectedness they’re craving. They remove essential shared context and make most people feel unheard, which has bad mental health effects.

antiverse 4y ago