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I mean, the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost. Could easily be half. No way you can get a MacBook Air M1 for much less that 1000 EUR used, th

I mean, the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost. Could easily be half. No way you can get a MacBook Air M1 for much less that 1000 EUR used, those things keep their price for years and years. And how much were you willing to part with? Is that 100-200 (or even 300) EUR difference really worth the near-aneurysm you're having? I am like this too. I will flip my lid over something like this, but about half the time upon further reflection I will come to the conclusion that I was being irrational, and simply upset at how much things objectively cost or how long things take, or whatever.

cmeacham98 4y ago
You seriously believe that a screen replacement (even after including labor) costs 70% of the price of the laptop? And that OP is irrational for thinking otherwise?
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  A replacement costs $600 at iFixit: https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-14-Inch-2021-A2442-Display-Assembly/IF464-001?o=1 https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-14-Inch-2021-A2... That seems like a pretty normal price for recent MacBook screens: https://www.ifixit.com/Parts/MacBook_Pro_13%22/Screens https://www.ifixit.com/Parts/MacBook_Pro_13%22/Screens
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    iFixit has to get those screens by salvaging them off of MacBooks. The cost to Apple to produce the screen is almost certainly closer to $100-$200.
    - kspacewalk2 4y ago
      >The cost to Apple to produce the screen is almost certainly closer to $100-$200. Where are you getting this number from? Why not $50, or $300?
  - hashishen 4y ago
    https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a48e https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a...
- samatman 4y ago
  Seems plausible, yes. The screens arrive at the factory by boat, in an optimally-packed container. Replacement screens are individually packaged and delivered in low volume by courier. Apple must first examine the laptop, which isn't free, then put in the replacement, and do acceptance testing, because they warranty repairs, and even if they didn't, not repairing something and claiming it's a repair is bad press. Maybe they make profit as well who knows, but it's easy for me to believe that the assembly-line price of a screen triples by the time a repair is installed and the user gets the laptop back. Starting to look like some of the M1 Airs got a bad batch of screen glass, which is a separate matter. If so, here's my prediction: Apple will do the same thing they did for the butterfly keyboards and eat the replacement cost, and people will be complaining about it ten years later. Unlike the butterfly fiasco, I'm not betting on this being a design flaw, it's either the law of large numbers or a badly-tempered batch of glass. None of that is relevant to the cost to replace an uninsured screen which broke under user-error conditions.
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    Everyone here is capable of looking up shipping prices from China or similar even for the volume of 1 screen, and seeing it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars. Similarly, the average pay of Genius Bar employees and Apple repair techs is semi-public knowledge that can be found on the internet. Nobody is believing that it costs Apple $400-500 in additional expenses _per screen_ to repair MacBooks.
  - dis-sys 4y ago
    > but it's easy for me to believe that the assembly-line price of a screen triples by the time a repair is installed and the user gets the laptop back. Like it or not, in a lovely city called Shenzhen, it costs you $200 to get your macbook pro's screen replaced in a regular roadside repair shop just next building to your fancy apple shop. As a low skill job, you get to master the procedure by watching online video tutorials, interestingly, that is also a viable business in Shenzhen, they have such "online schools" to get people trained for such jobs and some of their videos are free - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLCQRIZLWDzzzhgKwSWBoRg/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLCQRIZLWDzzzhgKwSWBoRg/vid...
- widowlark 4y ago
  So many people commenting on OP's post essentially gaslighting them for not wanting to pay $1000 for a screen repair, as if we dont live in a universe where replacing screens on every other product is 1/3 that cost.
achow 4y ago
Alibaba.com: $167 for generic replacement. Considering Apple's buying power it would cost less than that. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Laptop-Apple-Screen-2020-For_1600479342552.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Laptop-Apple-Scre...
- microtonal 4y ago
  How many nits? Does it support the P3 colorspace? Does it support TrueTone? How do you know if it is even a remotely comparable screen qualitatively?
- tpmoney 4y ago
  Yes the well known “touch screen” that MacBook Airs are well known for. Displays might be able to be had cheaper (in fact straight from the manufacturer they surely are) but I’m not sure I would trust buying from a vendor that doesn’t even know what they’re selling
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  >generic replacement Could they be dead-pixel factory rejects that aren't even like-for-like? "Touchscreen" seems suspect.
- achow 4y ago
  Well.. well.. well, another source quotes even lower - $52 for 13" display. Is Apple Fleecing you? https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a48e https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a...
chaosbolt 4y ago
>I mean, the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost. Could easily be half. The macbook air m1 here is 1100 euros, the mac mini is 800 euros. So the keyboard, trackpad, battery, screen and form factor are worth 300 euro according to Apple. So that LCD screen they put there even though has a high res, is definitely not worth half the price of the laptop.
dis-sys 4y ago
> the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost No, LCD screens are pretty affordable these days. You can buy yourself a portable external display with a 4k samsung panel for about $200-250 depending on where are you. Such portable displays have extra batteries included, so extra $ costs included.
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  We're not talking generally about LCD screens. We're talking about an original part to a specific laptop.

cmeacham98 4y ago

You seriously believe that a screen replacement (even after including labor) costs 70% of the price of the laptop? And that OP is irrational for thinking otherwise?

shepherdjerred 4y ago
A replacement costs $600 at iFixit: https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-14-Inch-2021-A2442-Display-Assembly/IF464-001?o=1 https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-14-Inch-2021-A2... That seems like a pretty normal price for recent MacBook screens: https://www.ifixit.com/Parts/MacBook_Pro_13%22/Screens https://www.ifixit.com/Parts/MacBook_Pro_13%22/Screens
- cmeacham98 4y ago
  iFixit has to get those screens by salvaging them off of MacBooks. The cost to Apple to produce the screen is almost certainly closer to $100-$200.
  - kspacewalk2 4y ago
    >The cost to Apple to produce the screen is almost certainly closer to $100-$200. Where are you getting this number from? Why not $50, or $300?
- hashishen 4y ago
  https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a48e https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a...
samatman 4y ago
Seems plausible, yes. The screens arrive at the factory by boat, in an optimally-packed container. Replacement screens are individually packaged and delivered in low volume by courier. Apple must first examine the laptop, which isn't free, then put in the replacement, and do acceptance testing, because they warranty repairs, and even if they didn't, not repairing something and claiming it's a repair is bad press. Maybe they make profit as well who knows, but it's easy for me to believe that the assembly-line price of a screen triples by the time a repair is installed and the user gets the laptop back. Starting to look like some of the M1 Airs got a bad batch of screen glass, which is a separate matter. If so, here's my prediction: Apple will do the same thing they did for the butterfly keyboards and eat the replacement cost, and people will be complaining about it ten years later. Unlike the butterfly fiasco, I'm not betting on this being a design flaw, it's either the law of large numbers or a badly-tempered batch of glass. None of that is relevant to the cost to replace an uninsured screen which broke under user-error conditions.
- cmeacham98 4y ago
  Everyone here is capable of looking up shipping prices from China or similar even for the volume of 1 screen, and seeing it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars. Similarly, the average pay of Genius Bar employees and Apple repair techs is semi-public knowledge that can be found on the internet. Nobody is believing that it costs Apple $400-500 in additional expenses _per screen_ to repair MacBooks.
- dis-sys 4y ago
  > but it's easy for me to believe that the assembly-line price of a screen triples by the time a repair is installed and the user gets the laptop back. Like it or not, in a lovely city called Shenzhen, it costs you $200 to get your macbook pro's screen replaced in a regular roadside repair shop just next building to your fancy apple shop. As a low skill job, you get to master the procedure by watching online video tutorials, interestingly, that is also a viable business in Shenzhen, they have such "online schools" to get people trained for such jobs and some of their videos are free - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLCQRIZLWDzzzhgKwSWBoRg/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLCQRIZLWDzzzhgKwSWBoRg/vid...
widowlark 4y ago
So many people commenting on OP's post essentially gaslighting them for not wanting to pay $1000 for a screen repair, as if we dont live in a universe where replacing screens on every other product is 1/3 that cost.

achow 4y ago

Alibaba.com: $167 for generic replacement. Considering Apple's buying power it would cost less than that. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Laptop-Apple-Screen-2020-For_1600479342552.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-Laptop-Apple-Scre...

microtonal 4y ago
How many nits? Does it support the P3 colorspace? Does it support TrueTone? How do you know if it is even a remotely comparable screen qualitatively?
tpmoney 4y ago
Yes the well known “touch screen” that MacBook Airs are well known for. Displays might be able to be had cheaper (in fact straight from the manufacturer they surely are) but I’m not sure I would trust buying from a vendor that doesn’t even know what they’re selling
kspacewalk2 4y ago
>generic replacement Could they be dead-pixel factory rejects that aren't even like-for-like? "Touchscreen" seems suspect.
achow 4y ago
Well.. well.. well, another source quotes even lower - $52 for 13" display. Is Apple Fleecing you? https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a48e https://medium.com/macoclock/is-apple-fleecing-you-a682c851a...

chaosbolt 4y ago

>I mean, the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost. Could easily be half. The macbook air m1 here is 1100 euros, the mac mini is 800 euros. So the keyboard, trackpad, battery, screen and form factor are worth 300 euro according to Apple. So that LCD screen they put there even though has a high res, is definitely not worth half the price of the laptop.

dis-sys 4y ago

> the screen is a major part of that initial 1000 EUR cost No, LCD screens are pretty affordable these days. You can buy yourself a portable external display with a 4k samsung panel for about $200-250 depending on where are you. Such portable displays have extra batteries included, so extra $ costs included.

kspacewalk2 4y ago
We're not talking generally about LCD screens. We're talking about an original part to a specific laptop.