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> Apple announced Self Service Repair will be available tomorrow for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro notebooks with the M1 family of chips, No M2 support? Also, no

by xyst 4y ago

> Apple announced Self Service Repair will be available tomorrow for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro notebooks with the M1 family of chips, No M2 support? Also, no support for Intel based Macs? Seems like lip service to me. Although on the bright side, at least Apple is making an effort in the past 1-2 years towards repairability. Would be better if they pull their opposition for "right to repair".

ericmay 4y ago
I don't forsee Intel support, but M2 support will come. They're just slowly rolling this out. > Would be better if they pull their opposition for "right to repair". But then you'd be in the same position you are now with Apple where you'd just get the individual parts and fuck your computer up. Though maybe they should pull their opposition (if indeed they are opposed to this for no good reason) so then companies would have to support the right to repair products like dSLR cameras, TVs and computer monitors, Nintendo Switches, and Samsung mobile phones. I think this would be a nice little market advantage for Apple since these companies are fucking terrible at support for products beyond "send it in". Can you imagine Google trying to support repairing a Chromebook? Though I think what you'd find is just more throw-away electronics because a screen for a Chromebook individually purchased and sent to you will probably cost half as much as a new one. Good for the environment there. Another thing I wonder about is should we treat personal electronics differently? There's a lot of focus on them but most are cheap and disposable. I think there's significant issues with manufacturing or industrial scale products like the infamous John Deere tractors that you can't fix yourself.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  > Can you imagine Google trying to support repairing a Chromebook? iFixit has Chromebook guides. Hobbyist communities and niche boutique repair shops arise to fit the needs. https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=chromebook https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=chromebook
  - ericmay 4y ago
    They have them for Macs and iPhones too, and there are a lot of device repair shops for their products. https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro
  - jozzy-james 4y ago
    unless google recently bought out ifixit, not seeing the relevance to the statement
- wishfish 4y ago
  My niece broke the screen on her dirt cheap Chromebook. A Samsung Chromebook 3. I bought her a new screen for about $30 and was able to replace it myself in about 5 minutes after watching a short Youtube howto. The Lenovo Chromebook 3 seems to be similar. I bought one during the recent $79 sale. Was curious if I could DIY an upgrade to an IPS screen. Found some screens that looked like a good fit for around $40 and the screen is easily user serviceable. There's many videos on how to fix various aspects of this ultra cheap laptop, and Lenovo has an easily downloaded service manual.
  - ericmay 4y ago
    Then what's the issue? Apparently we already have right to repair in practice. Or is specifically that people want to be able to do this with Macbooks and iPhones? Vote with your wallet then.
    - bornfreddy 4y ago
      Not enough. Right to repair should be mandated by law, because throwing away perfectly good hardware damages our planet, so it is not just a matter of the money exchanged between the producer and the customer.
      - ericmay 4y ago
        Then don't throw away your hardware? The person I'm responding to didn't. Would you also mandate recycling? I'd certainly support that. I'm just not sure what a right to repair law is addressing here that's different than what's currently happening. I would hypothesize that mandatory recycling would go further in effect than right to repair.
        threeseed 4y ago
        > Then don't throw away your hardware? No you see the world is black or white. So either you can repair it yourself or it has to be thrown out. Definitely no way to take it to Apple or a third party repairer to have it fixed.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
I wonder what the possible reason could be to not sell OEM batteries for non M processor MacBook Airs. It is just a screwdriver and a replacement battery. And they do it themselves for a large fee, so they have the supply of batteries.
- GeckoEidechse 4y ago
  Planned obsolescence? Batteries are consumables, so once it's dead the consumer is essentially forced to buy a new model.
  - Bud 4y ago
    Please don't continue lazily spreading this "planned obsolescence" nonsense, especially in cases like this where it's obvious, immediately, that the claim is wholly unsupported by any facts or even possible theories. Thanks.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Apple will replace batteries on MacBooks up to 10 years old.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Apple replaces batteries for a very affordable price compared to third parties. https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/ https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Yes, and they charge $129 to remove some screws, unplug an old battery, and plug in a new battery. So why do they not give people the option to just buy a battery, if they are doing all these self service repair rollouts.
      - threeseed 4y ago
        That $129 includes verifying it actually works and providing warranty if it fails.
robertlagrant 4y ago
> Seems like lip service to me I think that would invalidate the warranty. You need to use your hands.
- NoSorryCannot 4y ago
  Only if they can prove that your lipservice caused the damage in question, which should be avoidable with the use of antistatic lipstick and regular blotting to ensure the lips are suitably dry.
dwaite 4y ago
The repair program is operated through a third party; products in active production with available OEM repair parts is possibly the criteria, and they may be rolling this out on a product-by-product basis in terms of producing comprehensive end-user DIY instructions and processes. A M2 Mac isn't out of warranty yet, making self-repair more costly for all but a few non-covered instances (e.g. liquid damage, screen drop). For this reason, I would expect newer Intel Macs to be supported before the M2.
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by xyst 4y ago

ericmay 4y ago

I don't forsee Intel support, but M2 support will come. They're just slowly rolling this out. > Would be better if they pull their opposition for "right to repair". But then you'd be in the same position you are now with Apple where you'd just get the individual parts and fuck your computer up. Though maybe they should pull their opposition (if indeed they are opposed to this for no good reason) so then companies would have to support the right to repair products like dSLR cameras, TVs and computer monitors, Nintendo Switches, and Samsung mobile phones. I think this would be a nice little market advantage for Apple since these companies are fucking terrible at support for products beyond "send it in". Can you imagine Google trying to support repairing a Chromebook? Though I think what you'd find is just more throw-away electronics because a screen for a Chromebook individually purchased and sent to you will probably cost half as much as a new one. Good for the environment there. Another thing I wonder about is should we treat personal electronics differently? There's a lot of focus on them but most are cheap and disposable. I think there's significant issues with manufacturing or industrial scale products like the infamous John Deere tractors that you can't fix yourself.

Apocryphon 4y ago
> Can you imagine Google trying to support repairing a Chromebook? iFixit has Chromebook guides. Hobbyist communities and niche boutique repair shops arise to fit the needs. https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=chromebook https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=chromebook
- ericmay 4y ago
  They have them for Macs and iPhones too, and there are a lot of device repair shops for their products. https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MacBook_Pro
- jozzy-james 4y ago
  unless google recently bought out ifixit, not seeing the relevance to the statement
wishfish 4y ago
My niece broke the screen on her dirt cheap Chromebook. A Samsung Chromebook 3. I bought her a new screen for about $30 and was able to replace it myself in about 5 minutes after watching a short Youtube howto. The Lenovo Chromebook 3 seems to be similar. I bought one during the recent $79 sale. Was curious if I could DIY an upgrade to an IPS screen. Found some screens that looked like a good fit for around $40 and the screen is easily user serviceable. There's many videos on how to fix various aspects of this ultra cheap laptop, and Lenovo has an easily downloaded service manual.
- ericmay 4y ago
  Then what's the issue? Apparently we already have right to repair in practice. Or is specifically that people want to be able to do this with Macbooks and iPhones? Vote with your wallet then.
  - bornfreddy 4y ago
    Not enough. Right to repair should be mandated by law, because throwing away perfectly good hardware damages our planet, so it is not just a matter of the money exchanged between the producer and the customer.
    - ericmay 4y ago
      Then don't throw away your hardware? The person I'm responding to didn't. Would you also mandate recycling? I'd certainly support that. I'm just not sure what a right to repair law is addressing here that's different than what's currently happening. I would hypothesize that mandatory recycling would go further in effect than right to repair.
      - threeseed 4y ago
        > Then don't throw away your hardware? No you see the world is black or white. So either you can repair it yourself or it has to be thrown out. Definitely no way to take it to Apple or a third party repairer to have it fixed.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

I wonder what the possible reason could be to not sell OEM batteries for non M processor MacBook Airs. It is just a screwdriver and a replacement battery. And they do it themselves for a large fee, so they have the supply of batteries.

GeckoEidechse 4y ago
Planned obsolescence? Batteries are consumables, so once it's dead the consumer is essentially forced to buy a new model.
- Bud 4y ago
  Please don't continue lazily spreading this "planned obsolescence" nonsense, especially in cases like this where it's obvious, immediately, that the claim is wholly unsupported by any facts or even possible theories. Thanks.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Apple will replace batteries on MacBooks up to 10 years old.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Apple replaces batteries for a very affordable price compared to third parties. https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/ https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Yes, and they charge $129 to remove some screws, unplug an old battery, and plug in a new battery. So why do they not give people the option to just buy a battery, if they are doing all these self service repair rollouts.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      That $129 includes verifying it actually works and providing warranty if it fails.

robertlagrant 4y ago

> Seems like lip service to me I think that would invalidate the warranty. You need to use your hands.

NoSorryCannot 4y ago
Only if they can prove that your lipservice caused the damage in question, which should be avoidable with the use of antistatic lipstick and regular blotting to ensure the lips are suitably dry.

dwaite 4y ago

The repair program is operated through a third party; products in active production with available OEM repair parts is possibly the criteria, and they may be rolling this out on a product-by-product basis in terms of producing comprehensive end-user DIY instructions and processes. A M2 Mac isn't out of warranty yet, making self-repair more costly for all but a few non-covered instances (e.g. liquid damage, screen drop). For this reason, I would expect newer Intel Macs to be supported before the M2.

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