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Imagine not getting worker collective organizing.

by alldayeveryday 4y ago

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
There are certainly better ways to communicate your point than this.
- gtyras2mrs 4y ago
  > There are certainly better ways to communicate your point than this. Well, do tell. Passing along a petition sounds like a very low impact way of collectively asking for something. It's not like they are starting off with a strike. Or are thinking of a "mgmt's way or the highway" type of deal?
  - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
    I just find any single sentence comment that starts with “Imagine…” as uselessly snarky. That’s all.
asdajksah2123 4y ago
This isn't collective organizing though. collective organizing allows management and labor to come to the same table and hammer out a broad agreement based on both perspectives' priorities. If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH. This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects.
- alldayeveryday 4y ago
  I'm not familiar with a definition of collective organizing that requires the conditions you describe, however I am fine with working with your definition. My comment (rather sarcastically) alludes to the fact that Apple employees are coming together and making a demand. It surprises me how many people will immediately shill for the employer's position and act shocked that employees would collectively ask for something. "Can't they just go work somewhere else?"
- gtyras2mrs 4y ago
  > If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH. What you are missing is that there does not seem to be a "collective organizing table" that you speak of at Apple. An edict from above comes in saying staff need to return to office. Apple execs did not "request mitigating actions" they demanded it. > This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects. Any bargaining starts with needs and wants from both sides. Apple has made their demand to the employees telling them to return to office. Some employees are trying to organise to put forward a counter-demand. Apple execs could respond to said petition with an offer to come to the same table and negotiate, but it does not seem like they are at that stage yet.
sn0w_crash 4y ago
Imagine not getting people are free to do what they want. Life isn’t a perpetual college campus. At least not for 99% of us.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  College campuses actually host in person classes now. Conversely, Apple Park is literally called a campus, so it's not as if management isn't in on it either.

Imagine not getting worker collective organizing.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago

There are certainly better ways to communicate your point than this.

gtyras2mrs 4y ago
> There are certainly better ways to communicate your point than this. Well, do tell. Passing along a petition sounds like a very low impact way of collectively asking for something. It's not like they are starting off with a strike. Or are thinking of a "mgmt's way or the highway" type of deal?
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  I just find any single sentence comment that starts with “Imagine…” as uselessly snarky. That’s all.

asdajksah2123 4y ago

This isn't collective organizing though. collective organizing allows management and labor to come to the same table and hammer out a broad agreement based on both perspectives' priorities. If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH. This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects.

alldayeveryday 4y ago
I'm not familiar with a definition of collective organizing that requires the conditions you describe, however I am fine with working with your definition. My comment (rather sarcastically) alludes to the fact that Apple employees are coming together and making a demand. It surprises me how many people will immediately shill for the employer's position and act shocked that employees would collectively ask for something. "Can't they just go work somewhere else?"
gtyras2mrs 4y ago
> If remote working was a point on the collective organizing table then management would be able to request mitigating actions to compensate for whatever they felt was lost because of WFH. What you are missing is that there does not seem to be a "collective organizing table" that you speak of at Apple. An edict from above comes in saying staff need to return to office. Apple execs did not "request mitigating actions" they demanded it. > This, on the other hand, is a single issue action, which involves no bargaining and places demands from 1 side without a corresponding opportunity to mitigate negative effects. Any bargaining starts with needs and wants from both sides. Apple has made their demand to the employees telling them to return to office. Some employees are trying to organise to put forward a counter-demand. Apple execs could respond to said petition with an offer to come to the same table and negotiate, but it does not seem like they are at that stage yet.

sn0w_crash 4y ago

Imagine not getting people are free to do what they want. Life isn’t a perpetual college campus. At least not for 99% of us.

Apocryphon 4y ago
College campuses actually host in person classes now. Conversely, Apple Park is literally called a campus, so it's not as if management isn't in on it either.