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I would be surprised if modern TVs didn’t connect to open WiFis; there is literally no reason for TVs not to do this, and every incentive to do it. Even if we

by teddyh 4y ago

I would be surprised if modern TVs didn’t connect to open WiFis; there is literally no reason for TVs not to do this, and every incentive to do it. Even if we discount the ads as a motivator, it’s still a simple solution to get people’s stuff configured automatically.

littlecranky67 4y ago
Legal issues aside, there might be loss of company image and also privacy related matter (I can run an open wifi to see the data that my neighbour TV sends). And to add to this: There has been no proof ever that modern TVs do this, and it would be quite easy for anyone/journalists/reviewers to check this (just run an open wifi and monitor it).
netsharc 4y ago
And I would be surprised if they did... the belief in these sorts of tech urban legends/conspiracy theories that some seemingly techie people have is cringeworthy. And no, Facebook/Instagram aren't listening to users either, it would need too much bandwidth/server power to process all those conversations, and if you say "they can do the speech recognition on the users' phones", the majority of users use budget phones that don't have that sort of power.
- teddyh 4y ago
  This reminds me of the pre-Snowden times, where people often assumed that governments widely recorded internet traffic, since they had both the capability and the motivation, but people like you dismissed it as “urban legends/conspiracy theories” because there wasn’t any hard evidence.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    How do you know what I did in regards to the Five Eyes? I wonder what's easier to check and verify, a secret government tapping of the Internet, or if the TVs in millions of people's living rooms are trying to connect to open WiFi networks...
    - teddyh 4y ago
      (I did not mention or claim anything about you personally.) You’re right in that this should be easier to find. But I haven’t seen any concerted effort to buy N number of smart TVs and do security analysis on them in order to find something like this.
      - netsharc 4y ago
smileybarry 4y ago
Until someone makes a honeypot library that just spams Google Cast/AirPlay 2 streams when it sees a random TV join
Datagenerator 4y ago
Would be surprised if they don't include 5G in order to gain permanent unfiltered access. Sending that sweet telemetry data has priority.
BeefWellington 4y ago
It would be pretty easy to check and validate if that's true.
vlunkr 4y ago
In my sample size of two different brands, this isn’t true.

by teddyh 4y ago

littlecranky67 4y ago

Legal issues aside, there might be loss of company image and also privacy related matter (I can run an open wifi to see the data that my neighbour TV sends). And to add to this: There has been no proof ever that modern TVs do this, and it would be quite easy for anyone/journalists/reviewers to check this (just run an open wifi and monitor it).

netsharc 4y ago

And I would be surprised if they did... the belief in these sorts of tech urban legends/conspiracy theories that some seemingly techie people have is cringeworthy. And no, Facebook/Instagram aren't listening to users either, it would need too much bandwidth/server power to process all those conversations, and if you say "they can do the speech recognition on the users' phones", the majority of users use budget phones that don't have that sort of power.

teddyh 4y ago
This reminds me of the pre-Snowden times, where people often assumed that governments widely recorded internet traffic, since they had both the capability and the motivation, but people like you dismissed it as “urban legends/conspiracy theories” because there wasn’t any hard evidence.
- netsharc 4y ago
  How do you know what I did in regards to the Five Eyes? I wonder what's easier to check and verify, a secret government tapping of the Internet, or if the TVs in millions of people's living rooms are trying to connect to open WiFi networks...
  - teddyh 4y ago
    (I did not mention or claim anything about you personally.) You’re right in that this should be easier to find. But I haven’t seen any concerted effort to buy N number of smart TVs and do security analysis on them in order to find something like this.
    - netsharc 4y ago

smileybarry 4y ago

Until someone makes a honeypot library that just spams Google Cast/AirPlay 2 streams when it sees a random TV join

Datagenerator 4y ago

Would be surprised if they don't include 5G in order to gain permanent unfiltered access. Sending that sweet telemetry data has priority.

BeefWellington 4y ago

It would be pretty easy to check and validate if that's true.

vlunkr 4y ago

In my sample size of two different brands, this isn’t true.